Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 31st Aug 2010 22:09 UTC
Legal Despite doing what I think are some great things for the American people, the Obama administration has a dark side. Joe Biden and many others on staff come straight from the RIAA camp, and it shows. Today, the Obama administration disregarded every US law relating to theft and copyright by stating that piracy is "flat, unadulterated theft".
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RE[6]: Screwed again
by ricegf on Wed 1st Sep 2010 11:44 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Screwed again"
ricegf
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2007-04-25

Why am I not convinced? You're blinded by your own hate.

For example, with every evidence of a straight face, you credited President Clinton for the fiscal situation in 2000, but blamed President Reagan for the fiscal situation in 2008. Didn't they teach you in school that President Clinton served after President Reagan?

Let me guess: You were kidding there, too.

You admitted that your initial swipe at Mr. Reagan was wrong. Your next step is to realize that Mr. Obama's eye-popping deficits are no more in the "don't matter" category than Mr. Bush's - they are a grave danger to our country. Get past the "R's bad, D's good" chant from your non sequitur-laden earlier post. Judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their state.

It's not too late.

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RE[7]: Screwed again
by FuriousGeorge on Wed 1st Sep 2010 12:00 in reply to "RE[6]: Screwed again"
FuriousGeorge Member since:
2010-08-26

Why am I not convinced? You're blinded by your own hate.


Dunno. For instance, I really don't hate bush. When he dodged those shoes and smirked at his assailant I was proud to be an American.

For example, with every evidence of a straight face, you credited President Clinton for the fiscal situation in 2000, but blamed President Reagan for the fiscal situation in 2008. Didn't they teach you in school that President Clinton served after President Reagan?


If you read carefully you will see that I blamed Reagonomics (e.g. deregulation and regressive "trickle down"/"voodoo economics" tax policy) for '08, not Reagan himself.

Let me guess: You were kidding there, too.

You admitted that your initial swipe at Mr. Reagan was wrong.


That's a bit of a misrepresentation. I admitted that Reagan oversaw the SECOND biggest increase in debt by percentage of GDP in the modern era, behind Bush II.

At first I thought it was the largest, but turns out Bush II edges him out.

You make it sound like it detracts from my point.

Your next step is to realize that Mr. Obama's eye-popping deficits are no more in the "don't matter" category than Mr. Bush's - they are a grave danger to our country.


I can't realize that because it isn't true. This is only Obama's debt to the extent that it is also Obama's bush tax cuts, Obama's wars, Obama's TARP, Obama's bail outs, Obama's medicare part D, etc. (in other words, not at all).

Yes, Obama did bail out GM, but they have repaid that loan. Yes, Obama did push for a stimulus but that wasn't some tax-and-spend whim. It was 40% tax cuts and more importantly it was necessitated by the complete and total failure of Reaganomics (not Reagan per se), and what everyone agrees is the greatest economic disaster since the 1920s.

Yes, Obama pushed for health care reform (read: campaign promise), but you cited the CBO earlier, and we both know the CBO scores that bill in the positive, so that can't count against the debt.

Get past the "R's bad, D's good" chant from your non sequitur-laden earlier post. Judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their state.

It's not too late.


Why do you assume that I hate all R's? From Lincoln to Teddy R to Eisenhower to Nixon and Bush I's foreign policy, I have a lot of good things to say about Rs.

There are even a lot of things I like about Bush II, but policy wise I'm in the 80% of Americans that give him a negative approval rating.

That hardly makes me radical.

My point is, blaming Obama for the deficit/debt might fly for a cable news audience, but it is hardly a fair assessment.

Edited 2010-09-01 12:09 UTC

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RE[8]: Screwed again
by ricegf on Wed 1st Sep 2010 12:38 in reply to "RE[7]: Screwed again"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

"Why do you assume that I hate all R's?"

Because everything you said about R's up until this post was bad, and everything about D's was good? Because you responded to a critique of both R's and D's with an off-the-wall attack on President Reagan, who served before you were even born? Because you called a predominately Republican group a vulgar name?

I'm happy to acknowledge the change in words in your last post, and hope that represents a different heart than your earlier words implied.

"blaming Obama for the deficit/debt"

There you go again. When did debt enter the conversation? We're talking about the deficit. It's a critical distinction - you can inherit a debt (at least in government); you can't inherit a deficit. The deficit belongs to the current president and congress alone - they voted for it and signed it into law, to their shame. They can correct it by increasing taxes, reducing spending, or both. If they won't, citizens should replace them with someone who will.

As I said elsewhere on the thread, calling it the "Obama deficit" is a convenience - bills of revenue originate in the house. It's quicker than saying "the deficit of President Obama and the 111th Congress", even though the latter is more accurate.

However, the bottom line is that the level of spending advocated by the Obama administration and passed by the 111th Congress relative to revenues is both indefensible and unsustainable. You don't need to be an R to figure THAT out. ;-)

And with that, I leave for work. That's for the chat, off-topic though we were. :-D

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