Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 7th Sep 2010 10:25 UTC
Multimedia, AV Every so often we publish here at OSNews articles about copyright, about the war of the "old media" establishment against everyone else. Many, myself included, have argued that the way to get out of this mess -- short of changing the law -- is to have more artists release their work under a Creative Commons license. However, after a few years it became obvious to me that CC would never be able to change the industry all by itself. Offering a Free license, and having 30,000 albums released under it, was still not enough. Until the Summer of 2009, that is. Update: Added audio samples.
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RE[3]: Computer generated music
by Eugenia on Tue 7th Sep 2010 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Computer generated music"
Eugenia
Member since:
2005-06-28

>Electronic music isn't about trying to accurately synth real instruments.

I never said it is, so I don't like how you started your comment about myself "not having a clue".

The problem is that chillwave is supposed to be more natural and more blending-in music, and so they need to add filters to hide the very "clear" sound of electronic-generated music. That's what I meant, not that other electronic types of music need to do so too.

As for the rest of your rant, I can assure you that I'm familiar with electronic music. I'm European anyway, and electronic was huge in the '90s, when I was younger (my brother was a DJ too at the time). The problem with it is that most of it sounds robotic. And when it doesn't sound robotic, it's because it's masqueraded pop. Therefore, after about 35 years, true electronic music is still considered largely underground music. Sure, there's Moby and Zero7, and any of these dream-sounding electronic artists, but again, their music while somewhat ambient, it fails to do what chillwave does: unearth memories.

Chillwave instead is all about emotion and memories. The fact that it's electronic too is besides the point, rather than shouting it from the rooftops as other electronic music does with its compositions. And everyone else agrees that chillwave it's is own genre btw (granted, created out of 4-5 different genres from the '80s, but that's the fashion that every other genre is created).

Edited 2010-09-07 18:43 UTC

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Ok, I've listened to the samples now and most of them just sounded like bog standard chillout / IDM tracks.

Reminds me a lot of these albums from the last 15 years:
* Royksopp - 'Melody AM'
* Lemon Jelly - 'Lost Horizons'
* Amon Tobin - 'Out From Out Where'
* Love and Rockets - 'Blandat'
* Boards of Canada - 'Geogaddi' and 'The Campfire Headphase' (though personally I think their best album is 'Music Has the Right to Children', but that album is more "electronic chillout" and has less of the organic sounds you describe)

I listen to this kind of stuff a lot and I can tell you now that it's neither new nor "underground". Royksopp and Lemon Jelly have both had UK top 40 singles back in the early part of 00s and Amon Tobin is sampled to hell for TV backing music (BBCs Top Gear being just one example).

I really do hate genre pidgenholes as they always seem to detract people from the music. Most of the time it seems they're born out of a need to promote the artists rather than music, and this seems little different.

Edited 2010-09-07 22:10 UTC

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

>* Royksopp - 'Melody AM'
>* Lemon Jelly - 'Lost Horizons'
>* Amon Tobin - 'Out From Out Where'
>* Love and Rockets - 'Blandat'
>* Boards of Canada - 'Geogaddi' and 'The Campfire Headphase'

Absolutely not. Only *some* of Royksopp's songs on that album come a bit close, but still no cigar (their sound is too clear, it's not like a fade memory, but clean-cut electronic sounds). The rest of the albums you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with chillwave.

The stylistic origins of chillwave is Panda Bear, some of Animal Collective, a bit of early Beach House too.

>I listen to this kind of stuff a lot and I can tell >you now that it's neither new nor "underground".

It is very new, and it's still underground. You confuse chillwave with chillout electronic music. It's not the same. Chillout music is simply ambient music, sometimes with a bit more dance-infused electronic music, while chillwave is synthpop/new-wave/shoegaze that specifically tries to awake memories, rather than just make you chill. The fact that it's using the electronic music's tools to realize itself is besides the point. That's where the similarity ends.

Check the artists mentioned in the chillwave wikipedia article to check out the genre.

Edited 2010-09-08 01:45 UTC

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