Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Sep 2010 18:11 UTC
Internet Explorer We already know quite a few details about Internet Explorer 9, Microsoft's upcoming attempt to retain - or grow - its market share in the browser world. Standards and speed are the main focus of IE9, and if a video of the upcoming beta release is anything to go by, they're doing pretty well. Just... Did they just manage to make the interface even less appealing?
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RE: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 7th Sep 2010 19:17 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

It’s not fake—but it is beta.

I think Microsoft have been experimenting with saving vertical space, betting on that fact that the average screen is now quite wide, and [because Windows’ window management is so bad] the browser is always maximised.



Uhm, you do realise it is PEOPLE who maximise, right? Why on EARTH would Windows' window management have anything to do with it? Put any random Windows user in front of any UI and they will maximise.

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by Kroc on Tue 7th Sep 2010 19:22 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by ssokolow on Tue 7th Sep 2010 19:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Matter of taste does also factor into it. I'm very easily distracted, so I use a mix of fullscreening and tiling rather than Exposé-style helter-skelter stacking.

In fact, to ensure I always can, I wrote a simple X11 equivalent to WinSplit Revolution. (Though it's been sitting at "usable but not finished" for months now while I work on other projects)

If I can ever find the time to make them behave more like GTK/Qt than Motif, I plan to switch to a full tiling WM like AwesomeWM or XMonad.

Edited 2010-09-07 19:48 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 7th Sep 2010 20:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

What does the lack of Expose have to do with maximising? People maximise because it's a habit and because many (I actually checked this) find non-maximised windows distracting. It has NOTHING to do with how window manages windows.

If it did, it doesn't explain why people who switch to a Mac STILL maximise their windows - and this time manually, because OS X lacks a maximise button due to thick-headedness.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Neolander on Tue 7th Sep 2010 20:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Because in Windows, without Exposé, the simplest solution is to just maximise everything and use the taskbar / alt-tab. But in OS X I never maximise anything, my browser stays at 1024x768 and I move it around the screen. I have no need to maximise it.

There’s just something wrong with seeing a 23" PC screen with IE maximised over the whole thing, the web page sitting in the middle with a vast sea of emptiness either side. I can’t explain exactly how, but Windows just breeds this behaviour where as OS X doesn’t (probably because OS X’s maximise button is completely broken).

I think you just answered your own question, as Thom pointed out too. It's just too much of a hurdle to maximize a window on OSX, so people just get used to life without it.

As to why people like to maximize windows, I bet this has something to do with the need for a deeper web browsing experience (leave the computer and its problems and enter the web) and some concentration issues too. A computer desktop is now much more visually complex than the usual webpage background, since the web moved from the Geocities state to something which is much more usable.

Though you're right, a full-screened web browser on a widescreen monitor is just ridiculous, and can even damage usability when the page is not properly coded.

Edited 2010-09-07 20:19 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by flynn on Tue 7th Sep 2010 20:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
flynn Member since:
2009-03-19

I maximize my browser windows, because there is no reason not to.

When reading an article or a thread in a forum I don't actually need to see anything else on my screen besides the page itself. If I didn't keep my browser maximized, then all the space wasted by whitespace on the page would just be equally wasted by my wallpaper.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by AmigaRobbo on Tue 7th Sep 2010 20:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

Not everyone has 23" monitors you know.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Almafeta on Tue 7th Sep 2010 20:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
Almafeta Member since:
2007-02-22

There’s just something wrong with seeing a 23" PC screen with IE maximised over the whole thing, the web page sitting in the middle with a vast sea of emptiness either side.


How is the maximize button to blame for terrible webpage coding?

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Dave_K on Wed 8th Sep 2010 14:47 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

Put any random Windows user in front of any UI and they will maximise.


In my opinion a big part of the reason for this is that the Windows UI strongly encourages maximisation of windows. It's how Windows users learn to use the GUI, but that doesn't mean it's a particularly efficient way of doing things.

I never used to maximise windows when using RISC OS, or other GUIs with similar window management and application design. Back then I normally overlapped windows and dragged and dropped between apps; usage made easy and efficient by those interfaces.

It's only when using Windows, with its MDI apps, primitive window management, and massive toolbars/sidebars/panels attached to application windows, that I started feeling the need to maximise everything and alt+tab between windows.

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