Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Sep 2010 21:52 UTC
Games I've often harped on Apple for its policy regarding jailbreaking, but of course, Apple isn't the only company engaging in such practices. We already talked about Motorola, and now, we have Sony - already a company with a checkered past when it comes to consumer rights. As it turns out, Sony don't want you jailbreaking your their Playstation 3.
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Ridiculous
by obsidian on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:06 UTC
obsidian
Member since:
2007-05-12

When you buy a PS3, you are *buying* it - you're not renting it. You *own* the thing.

Ok, I have no problem with jailbreaking invalidating the warranty, but if you own something (whether it is a PS3 or whatever), surely it is *your business and no-one elses* if you choose to chop it around in whatever way you want, as long as it harms no-one else. If you choose to make a garage door-opener out of it, then that's up to you.

Let's say I *did* want to make a garage door-opener out of it. Sony obviously would not be interested in providing such functionality itself, so it would be up to me to do it. I reckon that if such an "enhanced functionality" case went to court, Sony would have a very hard time winning it. You are simply adding new functionality that Sony does not provide.

Where does this nonsense stop?

Edited 2010-09-07 22:18 UTC

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RE: Ridiculous
by thebluesgnr on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:18 in reply to "Ridiculous"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

Sure, you own it. But Sony owns PSN, and they're free to limit its access to those running the latest firmware update.

Also, the article written by Thom fails to mention a couple of things:

1) The only homebrew application currently developed for the PS3 is the "Backup" Manager, written using Sony's leaked SDK;

2) Any and all apps built with Sony's SDK are unlicensed and therefore a copyright violation. It'd be like running a proprietary app linked against a GPL licensed library: not legal.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by obsidian on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:23 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
obsidian Member since:
2007-05-12

Ahh, but what if you build an app that does not use Sony's SDK? For instance, if someone were to do a "backup manager" using a non-Sony SDK?

Edited 2010-09-07 22:25 UTC

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by WereCatf on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:28 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

1) The only homebrew application currently developed for the PS3 is the "Backup" Manager, written using Sony's leaked SDK;

You know why there is no more homebrew for it? Because it's has not been possible to install or use such! _Of course_ there is no homebrew yet then >_<

Now that the backup manager is out there people will start coding stuff and seeing what they can get out of PS3, it just takes time, you know.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:28 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Any and all apps built with Sony's SDK are unlicensed and therefore a copyright violation. It'd be like running a proprietary app linked against a GPL licensed library: not legal.


Uh, the GPL places no restrictions on use. What you say is perfectly legal. In fact, it happens on almost every Linux installation: graphics drivers.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by umccullough on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:29 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

It'd be like running a proprietary app linked against a GPL licensed library: not legal.


Wrong analogy - since that's a perfectly legal activity.

I think you meant - it would be like *distributing* a proprietary app linked against the GPL without also distributing your source, or providing the recipient with an offer to obtain the source code along with it.

It's ok - a common misconception.

I would guess that there will eventually be homebrew software that doesn't rely on Sony's SDK. At the very least, I would eventually anticipate a version of Linux which doesn't require the OtherOS feature - it's inevitable.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by T-Bone_142 on Wed 8th Sep 2010 00:56 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
T-Bone_142 Member since:
2010-09-08

It'd be like running a proprietary app linked against a GPL licensed library: not legal.


As far as I'm aware (I'm not a lawyer by any means) it is perfectly legal to do anything you want with GPL code. It only would only be illegal if you distributed GPL code with the proprietary application.

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RE: Ridiculous
by viton on Wed 8th Sep 2010 03:29 in reply to "Ridiculous"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

When you buy a PS3, you are *buying* it - you're not renting it. You *own* the thing.

You're free to do anything with your system,
but the entire content distribution ecosystem is not yours. So you're not supposed to break it.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by lemur2 on Wed 8th Sep 2010 05:30 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"When you buy a PS3, you are *buying* it - you're not renting it. You *own* the thing.

You're free to do anything with your system,
but the entire content distribution ecosystem is not yours. So you're not supposed to break it.
"

Jailbreaking your PS3 changes only the PS3 machine itself, a machine which you own. It does not "break" the content distribution servers which Sony own ... it does precisely nothing to them.

Edited 2010-09-08 05:31 UTC

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by bitwelder on Wed 8th Sep 2010 07:14 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
bitwelder Member since:
2010-04-27

You're free to do anything with your system,
but the entire content distribution ecosystem is not yours. So you're not supposed to break it.

Hmmm... that's like saying that if I get aboard a bus with a fake ticket, I'm endangering other passengers or the whole service. Well, no.
Sony is ok in policing its busses and checking tickets at their doors (to keep it profitable), but it is not in stopping me on the street to rip my 'worthless' piece of paper.

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