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Multimedia, AV Every so often we publish here at OSNews articles about copyright, about the war of the "old media" establishment against everyone else. Many, myself included, have argued that the way to get out of this mess -- short of changing the law -- is to have more artists release their work under a Creative Commons license. However, after a few years it became obvious to me that CC would never be able to change the industry all by itself. Offering a Free license, and having 30,000 albums released under it, was still not enough. Until the Summer of 2009, that is. Update: Added audio samples.
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RE[6]: Computer generated music
by Laurence on Wed 8th Sep 2010 07:29 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Computer generated music"
Laurence
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2007-03-26

Absolutely not. Only *some* of Royksopp's songs on that album come a bit close, but still no cigar (their sound is too clear, it's not like a fade memory, but clean-cut electronic sounds). The rest of the albums you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with chillwave.

It is very new, and it's still underground. You confuse chillwave with chillout electronic music.

But the point I'm making is there's nothing new to chillwave that warrants a new genre. To most people (and myself including) this is just another form of electronica / chillout music.

It's not the same. Chillout music is simply ambient music, sometimes with a bit more dance-infused electronic music, while chillwave is synthpop/new-wave/shoegaze that specifically tries to awake memories, rather than just make you chill. The fact that it's using the electronic music's tools to realize itself is besides the point. That's where the similarity ends.

No, that's entirely the point. The music uses the same tools, techniques and clich├ęs, thus it sounds just like the stuff I listed and thus i have trouble taking you seriously when you keep harping on about how this is a whole new genre of music.

I couldn't give a rats arse about your psychobabble about awakening memories because music will only awaken a memory if you have memories attached to that style of music. So to say this achieves something that other tracks can't is somewhat pretentious and not to mention completely false.

So the simple fact is, music is categorised by what it sounds like and everything else is just artistic fluff for the producer to indulge in.


Furthermore, this is the problem I have with your article. Rather than focusing on the merits / pitfalls of CC and emerging music scenes that are advocates of CC: you were trying to promote a specific genre that you have found a personal bond with and then trying to sell it like we all should agree with you that it's the greatest original idea since 'Ugg' designed the wheel. To most people this is just chillout electronica - and given that there's already far too many pidgenholes, I'm inclined to side with them.

Edited 2010-09-08 07:38 UTC

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

>thus it sounds just like the stuff I listed

NO, it does NOT sound the same.

> and thus i have trouble taking you seriously
>when you keep harping on about how this is a whole new genre of music.

It's not myself who says it's a new genre. It's the whole wide world. Read up, look it up, google it. It's only you who says that it's not new. Chillwave has nothing to do with the albums you listed. You're trying to make this about me, and what "I" said, while I simply wrote what's already public knowledge.

>music will only awaken a memory if you have memories attached to that style of music

Luckily for me I grew up in sunny and summery Greece, next to the sea. In the '80s. So there.

Edited 2010-09-08 08:21 UTC

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

>thus it sounds just like the stuff I listed

NO, it does NOT sound the same.

Not exactly the same no, but then where do you stop? What if someone released a "chillwave" track with heavy use of cowbells? Would you call that a new genre? What if 20 people then started to do it?

I see this happening time and time again in music and it's just stupid marketing driven by people wanting to differentiate themselves from other artists. It happens in hardhouse (hardhouse, harddance, hardtrance, hardstyle, Nu NRG, Hard NRG, Hi NRG, Bounce, etc), it happens in hardcore (hardcore, trancecore, happy hardcore, tecknocore, freeform, breakscore, doomcore, clowncore, deathcore, yadda yadda yadda). It happens in trance, techno and house. It happens in rock and it happens in metal and each and every time it's complete BS.

The problem with music is people overly attached to a scene will over-exaggerate insignificant differences and then masquerade these every so slight variations as whole new distinct genres when in fact the music is actually just (and at best) an evolution of an existing genre. It's like looking at a fractal: from a top level theres a finite number of sides, but the more you zoom in the more you sides you see but the less grasp you have of the bigger picture. The same is true with music.


> and thus i have trouble taking you seriously
>when you keep harping on about how this is a whole new genre of music.

It's not myself who says it's a new genre. It's the whole wide world. Read up, look it up, google it. It's only you who says that it's not new. Chillwave has nothing to do with the albums you listed. You're trying to make this about me, and what "I" said, while I simply wrote what's already public knowledge.

It's nobody outside the scene, that's who it is.
Wikipedia entries will be written by chillwave enthusiasts, chillwave websites will be built by chillwave producers and anybody who isn't attached to the scene will just hear these tracks and think "oh, that's electronica / IDM / chillout / whatever". I wish these guys every success but Mixmag wont create a new section in their magazine, they'll just lump it with Leftfield. MTV wont be creating a new channel, they'll just lump it with MTV Dance. Chillwave is not a new genre.


>music will only awaken a memory if you have memories attached to that style of music

Luckily for me I grew up in sunny and summery Greece, next to the sea. In the '80s. So there.

Well that pretty much proves my point that the "awaken memories" is irrelevant for anybody that hasn't had the same upbringing as yourself (and thus completely moots your arguments about chillwaves distinction from other genres based on the fact that it awakes memories)

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