Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Sep 2010 22:09 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems There's this hole here at OSNews, a hole left when Psystar was dealt a devastating blow by Apple's legal team. That whole saga provided a nice steady stream of news articles that's been dried up for a while. However, Psystar was not the only clone maker out there - what happened to Quo Computer, that clone maker with an actual real-world store front? They're still here, and just launched a new product.
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RE[2]: Good luck...
by NeoX on Thu 9th Sep 2010 05:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Good luck..."
NeoX
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2006-02-19


Please, fanboys. In such situations, nobody is pirating anything nor doing anything that is wrong. Apple is getting paid fairly at the price it sets, in every instance.

Except that Apple sells OS X only for Apple customers that have bought Apple products. It was never intended for clone makers to buy and users installing it on a clone are breaking the EULA. I know, I know, big whoop right? Some people do obey laws I guess... And even if Apple gets the money for the OS X disc they are still possibly losing money on the sell of an actual Apple Mac.

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RE[3]: Good luck...
by tupp on Thu 9th Sep 2010 06:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Good luck..."
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Except that Apple sells OS X only for Apple customers that have bought Apple products.

That point is irrelevant. Anyone buying a boxed version of OSX is an Apple customer.

Furthermore, Apple sells OSX openly, and Apple sets its price.


It was never intended for clone makers to buy and users installing it on a clone are breaking the EULA.

Again, two irrelevant points.

The manufacturer's intentions are meaningless the moment the product is sold. Chevrolet never intended for it's pick-up trucks to be modified, but, nonetheless, Chevrolet can do nothing to prevent this: http://www.4x4truckstrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jacked-... The person who bought the truck is free to do with it as he/she sees fit.

Also, an EULA is just a declaration by the manufacturer. No part of an EULA is law, and, often, provisions in EULAs are ruled invalid.


I know, I know, big whoop right? Some people do obey laws I guess...

Please name the government statute that one is violating by installing OSX on a non-Apple computer.


And even if Apple gets the money for the OS X disc they are still possibly losing money on the sell of an actual Apple Mac.

Apple sets the price for the retail box. If Apples sets it too low, who's fault is that?

Secondly, How could Apple be losing money by selling extra copies of OSX?

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RE[4]: Good luck...
by NeoX on Thu 9th Sep 2010 19:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Good luck..."
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19


That point is irrelevant. Anyone buying a boxed version of OSX is an Apple customer.

Furthermore, Apple sells OSX openly, and Apple sets its price.


No it is not irrelevant. Sorry for not being clearer, but I meant that Apple sells OS X for APPLE MAC CUSTOMERS. It is in the EULA that you are only to install it on a genuine Apple Macintosh Computer.


The manufacturer's intentions are meaningless the moment the product is sold. Chevrolet never intended for it's pick-up trucks to be modified, but, nonetheless, Chevrolet can do nothing to prevent this: http://www.4x4truckstrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jacked-... The person who bought the truck is free to do with it as he/she sees fit.

Also, an EULA is just a declaration by the manufacturer. No part of an EULA is law, and, often, provisions in EULAs are ruled invalid.

No your example is totally irrelevant. You are comparing a vehicle to a computer and or software. Hardly the same thing. Apple has a right to say who can and cannot use their software and on what hardware they can install it on. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it.


Please name the government statute that one is violating by installing OSX on a non-Apple computer.


Sorry, LAW was the wrong word. More like contract. An EULA is a contract between parties and as much as I think they suck, that does not make it invalid.


Apple sets the price for the retail box. If Apples sets it too low, who's fault is that?

Secondly, How could Apple be losing money by selling extra copies of OSX?


You missed my point entirely. By selling only the OS X disc to someone that is buying a clone, they are POSSIBLY losing the sale of a Mac to go with it. Without clones you would have to buy a Mac if you wanted to run OS X.

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RE[3]: Good luck...
by Neolander on Thu 9th Sep 2010 06:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Good luck..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Except that Apple sells OS X only for Apple customers that have bought Apple products. It was never intended for clone makers to buy and users installing it on a clone are breaking the EULA. I know, I know, big whoop right? Some people do obey laws I guess... And even if Apple gets the money for the OS X disc they are still possibly losing money on the sell of an actual Apple Mac.

At least here in France, it is illegal to sell two distinct products in a linked fashion. OSX and the Mac are distinct products, since OSX is sold separately from the Mac. So Apple can't force someone to buy a Mac along with OSX, if I'm not wrong. And in that case, this EULA clause is just invalid.

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RE[3]: Good luck...
by Soulbender on Thu 9th Sep 2010 07:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Good luck..."
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2005-08-18

Except that Apple sells OS X only for Apple customers that have bought Apple products.


If I have purchased a copy of OSX then I am obviously an Apple customer who has purchased an Apple product.

Some people do obey laws I guess...


What law? A EULA is not law. Apple does not make laws, they sell products. Whatever the consumer do with the products after they're purchased is none of Apple's business. Apple can not dictate what a consumer do with their produts after purchase. In fact, if there's any law to be broken here it is broken by Apple trying to dictate post-sale restrictions.

And even if Apple gets the money for the OS X disc they are still possibly losing money on the sell of an actual Apple Mac.


Who cares? It's not illegal to not buy a Mac.

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RE[4]: Good luck...
by NeoX on Thu 9th Sep 2010 19:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Good luck..."
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19



If I have purchased a copy of OSX then I am obviously an Apple customer who has purchased an Apple product.

Sorry not what I meant. I meant that it is intended to be sold to Apple Mac Hardware customers. People that bought an Apple Mac, not a clone.



What law? A EULA is not law. Apple does not make laws, they sell products. Whatever the consumer do with the products after they're purchased is none of Apple's business. Apple can not dictate what a consumer do with their produts after purchase. In fact, if there's any law to be broken here it is broken by Apple trying to dictate post-sale restrictions.


Again, my poor choice of words. Contract is the right word.

I really don't understand all the Anti-Apple people. If someone makes a computer and an OS specifically for that computer, why should they not be able to protect said OS from being essentially stolen by competitors to run on unofficial hardware. Even if they are paying retail they are still not being ethical at the least. Apple is a computer/Hardware company after all.

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RE[3]: Good luck...
by BallmerKnowsBest on Fri 10th Sep 2010 01:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Good luck..."
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2008-06-02

Except that Apple sells OS X only for Apple customers that have bought Apple products.


Ah, so Apple requires you to provide some sort of proof-of-purchase for other Apple products before they'll sell you a retail copy of OS X?

Oh, wait, they don't? So much for that idea.

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RE[4]: Good luck...
by NeoX on Fri 10th Sep 2010 04:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Good luck..."
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

"Except that Apple sells OS X only for Apple customers that have bought Apple products.


Ah, so Apple requires you to provide some sort of proof-of-purchase for other Apple products before they'll sell you a retail copy of OS X?

Oh, wait, they don't? So much for that idea.
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Did I say they required that? NO I did not. Like I said they are not enforcing it. But that is what OS X is INTENDED for, not for clone makers. If you do not believe me ask Apple.

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