Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Sep 2010 13:00 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems So, we have Intel and AMD. These guys are doing pretty well in laptops, servers, and of course desktops, but when it comes to mobile devices, they've so far been unable to adapt the x86 architecture to the stricter requirements that come with those devices. ARM, on the other hand, pretty much owns this market at this point. And you know what? It's time for Intel and AMD to get worried - really worried. ARM has just announced its Cortex-A15 MPCore chips - which will reach 2.5Ghz in quad-core configurations.
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RE[2]: Gotta wonder though
by Drumhellar on Thu 9th Sep 2010 17:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Gotta wonder though"
Drumhellar
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2005-07-12

A niche doesn't necessarily mean small.
All it means is highly specialized and specific to a specific role.

ARM chips are niche products, though, it is a very large/common niche.

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RE[3]: Gotta wonder though
by vivainio on Thu 9th Sep 2010 18:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Gotta wonder though"
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2008-12-26


All it means is highly specialized and specific to a specific role.


Modern "superphones" are not much more specialized than desktop PC's.

Lets face it, ARM is a huge player. ARM is starting to challenge Intel on bigger devices, and Intel is starting to challenge ARM on the smaller ones.

My long term bet is on Intel - ARM has owned the market because Intel never tried to compete with them directly (because ARM's "niche" was not that interesting). Currently, that "niche" is the one that has all the future and growth.

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RE[4]: Gotta wonder though
by Drumhellar on Thu 9th Sep 2010 19:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Gotta wonder though"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Modern "superphones" are not much more specialized than desktop PC's.[q/]

You misunderstand me. Of course smartphones aren't much more specialized than desktops or laptops. ARM doesn't make smartphones, though. They make SoC designs for handheld devices (mainly smartphones, but not exclusively) that usually run on battery or in other power-constrained scenarios, typically (but not always) with integrated, highly-specialized operating systems. Their chips rarely used outside of said parameters, and that is why they occupy a niche.

Intel and AMD don't really occupy a niche market, as a single design (with some relatively minor variations) occupy a variety of products with a variety of design parameters, from the small to the large. They run in power-constrained scenarios or not, handheld systems, desktops, rack-mounted, shelf-mounted, portable-but-not-handheld, running general-purpose operating systems (no jailbreaking required). Existing Intel/AMD systems can also almost always be repurposed.

[q]Lets face it, ARM is a huge player. ARM is starting to challenge Intel on bigger devices, and Intel is starting to challenge ARM on the smaller ones.


ARM is a huge player in the mobile phone space, and fairly large (but not dominating by any means) in other integrated systems. They are not a huge player in any other markets.

Also, There is a difference between "starting to challenge" and "wanting to challenge" Intel.

ARM has made some progress on challenging Intel with netbooks, but does not exist in the server space, or even desktop space.

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