Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Sep 2010 16:06 UTC
Apple Yesterday's back-pedaling from Apple has been very well received in the industry. Two companies who were bitten pretty hard by Apple's policies - Google (through AdMob) and Adobe - have both responded to yesterday's changes, and as you can expect, they're both pretty happy.
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Flash is a dud
by wocowboy on Sat 11th Sep 2010 09:45 UTC
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I am SO tired of hearing about how Apple is evil and mean to poor little Adobe Flash. Has anyone on here ever seen how absolutely horrible Flash is on the Android platform? I have a Nexus One, Froyo on it, and the Flash app installed. It might work 2% of the time, and even then I can only stand to watch something for a few seconds before I get tired of the choppiness or plain outright non-workable piece of crap it is.
Steve Jobs has been completely correct all this time in saying that Flash doesn't work on mobile phones and has been right in his efforts to keep it off the iPhone. It just doesn't work! Mobile phones simply do not have the processor power or memory capability necessary to make it work properly, and in my humble opinion, don't need to have it if there is a perfectly acceptable alternative that works just fine right now, namely HTML5. Why is everyone on here so totally against HTML5? In the tradition of OSNews, I suspect an evil plot/scheme at work to keep HTML5 off of mobile phones. Maybe it's Adobe that is the evil one here.

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RE: Flash is a dud
by Neolander on Sat 11th Sep 2010 10:28 in reply to "Flash is a dud"
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2010-03-08

I have a Nexus One, Froyo on it, and the Flash app installed. It might work 2% of the time, and even then I can only stand to watch something for a few seconds before I get tired of the choppiness or plain outright non-workable piece of crap it is.

That last one might be normal. On all demos of Flash on Froyo that I've seen yet, it takes some seconds before flash video becomes smooth.

About the "it works 2% of time", well, I've seen both users saying this and the absolute contrary, so I'm not sure who I should believe ;) For a first release of full flash on mobile devices, and hence something mostly targeting early adopters, it sure seems to work pretty well already, and looks encouraging given the amount of releases it took Macromedia and Adobe to make something looking like this on the Linux flash release. They seem to finally understand that Flash bugfixing and polishing on non-Windows platforms needs a huge speedup. And that benefits everyone

OTOH, I fear that there is some KDE 4.0 effect going on, and that everybody is going to include it while it's not quite ready. When I see someone scrolling a page with flash on Froyo, I find it just laughable. Google should give Adobe some time to make their code more polished before pushing it in every single Android handset ;)

(PS : Btw, Apple primarily banned Flash from iOS in order to avoid painful competition with the App Store, and not for technical reasons. The part of iOS SDK license that forbids applications from downloading interpretable code shows this pretty well.)

Edited 2010-09-11 10:30 UTC

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RE[2]: Flash is a dud
by Tony Swash on Sat 11th Sep 2010 11:01 in reply to "RE: Flash is a dud"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

"I have a Nexus One, Froyo on it, and the Flash app installed. It might work 2% of the time, and even then I can only stand to watch something for a few seconds before I get tired of the choppiness or plain outright non-workable piece of crap it is.

That last one might be normal. On all demos of Flash on Froyo that I've seen yet, it takes some seconds before flash video becomes smooth.

About the "it works 2% of time", well, I've seen both users saying this and the absolute contrary, so I'm not sure who I should believe ;) For a first release of full flash on mobile devices, and hence something mostly targeting early adopters, it sure seems to work pretty well already, and looks encouraging given the amount of releases it took Macromedia and Adobe to make something looking like this on the Linux flash release. They seem to finally understand that Flash bugfixing and polishing on non-Windows platforms needs a huge speedup. And that benefits everyone

OTOH, I fear that there is some KDE 4.0 effect going on, and that everybody is going to include it while it's not quite ready. When I see someone scrolling a page with flash on Froyo, I find it just laughable. Google should give Adobe some time to make their code more polished before pushing it in every single Android handset ;)

(PS : Btw, Apple primarily banned Flash from iOS in order to avoid painful competition with the App Store, and not for technical reasons. The part of iOS SDK license that forbids applications from downloading interpretable code shows this pretty well.)
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Why do you continue to defend Adobe and Flash?
This is closed technology.
This proprietary technology
This is bad technology.

If you want to see how bad - have a look here

http://rixstep.com/2/1/20100417,00.shtml

Why keep arguing that Flash is great on phones when it isn't?

It makes no sense.

Is it just because you couldn't bear to say the dread words "Steve Jobs was right"?

I always thought that after banning Flash on the iPhone Apple was hoping that the other platforms would rush in with a premature "we have Flash" adoption and thus significantly deoptimise their devices.

And that's what Google did.

I bet they are chuckling in Cupertino.

There's dumb, and then there is dumber.

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