Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Sep 2010 13:55 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia might not be gaining a lot of mindshare in the smartphone world with its Symbian operating system, but fact of the matter is that Symbian is still the most popular smartphone operating system in the world - by a long shot. Today, Nokia officially unveiled three new smartphones that will run the latest iteration of the mobile platform, Symbian^3.
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I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Tue 14th Sep 2010 14:27 UTC
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23

It's not about the software. It's all about Marketing.
Symbian could be 100 times better than Android and people still wouldn't know what Symbian is. They don't actually care what OS it is running. Nokia sells phones. The OS is part of the package.

People care about Android because Googles markets the OS, not the full packages and Google is the biggest advertising company in the world. Google wants you to know that Android is cool. And when Google markets Android features, you come to believe it is what a modern OS should be.

I have a N900 and when people see me using it, their first comment is: "A phone that still have a stylus? How old is that?" Why? They've come to believe a modern phone OS must not have a stylus and must be touch only. Obviously they have never tried Xournal. Marketing is the key. Do something and make people think it is cool and everything else sucks.

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RE: I wish it ran Android
by tony on Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:41 in reply to "I wish it ran Android"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

It's not about the software. It's all about Marketing.
Symbian could be 100 times better than Android and people still wouldn't know what Symbian is. They don't actually care what OS it is running. Nokia sells phones. The OS is part of the package.

People care about Android because Googles markets the OS, not the full packages and Google is the biggest advertising company in the world. Google wants you to know that Android is cool. And when Google markets Android features, you come to believe it is what a modern OS should be.

I have a N900 and when people see me using it, their first comment is: "A phone that still have a stylus? How old is that?" Why? They've come to believe a modern phone OS must not have a stylus and must be touch only. Obviously they have never tried Xournal. Marketing is the key. Do something and make people think it is cool and everything else sucks.


That's a cop-out. Marketing can't make up for bad software. There are plenty of bad software that has had great marketing (as recently as the Kin), and they didn't sell well.

As tough as it may be to accept, people use Android (and Apple) because they're great, easy to use platforms with a ton of great apps.

Nokia is losing market share not because of marketing, but because they're falling way behind.

And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by spiderman on Tue 14th Sep 2010 17:54 in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.
No, sorry but the stylus is definitely a plus. You are not forced to use it. It does not replace the mouse and is not meant to. Try Maemo on the N900 and see how handy the stylus is. You don't use it to open an app or to scroll. You use it for Xournal and for apps that require precision. Xournal is definitely not possible on device without a stylus. You still use your finger to scroll and to access menus. Multi-touch is nice but it does not replace the stylus.

Edited 2010-09-14 17:56 UTC

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by JeeperMate on Tue 14th Sep 2010 19:40 in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
JeeperMate Member since:
2010-06-12

As tough as it may be to accept, people use Android (and Apple) because they're great, easy to use platforms with a ton of great apps.

Tons of great apps only matter if your phone comes with crappy apps out of the box. Modern Nokias give you very usable navigation app (with free worldwide navigation), great push e-mail client and service, fully functional office suite (at least on E-series), etc. etc. I only need 6 additional apps for my day to day needs. Compare that with my/your Android.

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by jello on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:45 in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
jello Member since:
2006-08-08

... Marketing can't make up for bad software.


Well it worked out for Windows...

Any GEM on Atari (ex)users out there?

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RE[2]: I wish it ran Android
by axilmar on Wed 15th Sep 2010 12:43 in reply to "RE: I wish it ran Android"
axilmar Member since:
2006-03-20

And defending the stylus? Nokia won't even defend the stylus, they know they need to get rid of it and are moving towards multi-touch as quick as they can. They're just way behind. Unless the stylus is being used to actually draw or write, it's just a cop-out way to make a mouse-based interface work with our stubby, imprecise human fingers.


I prefer the stylus over greasing the screen with my fingers.

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RE: I wish it ran Android
by Magma on Tue 14th Sep 2010 17:21 in reply to "I wish it ran Android"
Magma Member since:
2006-03-07

Agree with the marketing comment. Lots of good products are sold badly and disappear. I haven't seen a Nokia phone in Boston for a long time.

Now that they have new leadership maybe it will be different (better?).

I like the Qt backend and think that it is a better way to develop code than the Java API that Android has. It also allows developers to use those skills for other apps on regular PCs as well. Win-win in my humble opinion.

Go Nokia!

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