Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Sep 2010 22:42 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu If there's one consistent piece of criticism that gets lobbed in Canonical's and Mark Shuttleworth's direction, it's that they do not contribute enough code - or anything else for that matter - to the Free software world. Mark Shuttleworth has apparently had enough, and has written a very, very lengthy blog post detailing how he feels about this criticism.
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This again!
by tweakedenigma on Wed 15th Sep 2010 01:29 UTC
tweakedenigma
Member since:
2006-12-27

This is right up there with the people that complain about the Novell/MS agreement, Mono, or insert thing they hate about the FOSS ecosystem.

At the end of the day no group does enough so lets hate them all. In fact lets close down all FOSS projects seeing as no one can meet the communities high standards.

Google Sucks because they used H.264
Oracle Sued Google How dare they.
Novell Made a Deal with MS
Canonical doesn't do Enough.
RedHat Abandoned the Desktop and Make some Windows only software.
IBM sued over Patents.
KDE started as closed source, is unstable, and to complex.
Gnome treats users Like morons.

Do I really need to go on? At least for me if they don't break the terms of the License, then they have done enough.

Edited 2010-09-15 01:30 UTC

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RE: This again!
by lemur2 on Wed 15th Sep 2010 03:51 in reply to "This again!"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

At the end of the day no group does enough so lets hate them all. In fact lets close down all FOSS projects seeing as no one can meet the communities high standards.

Google Sucks because they used H.264
Oracle Sued Google How dare they.
Novell Made a Deal with MS
Canonical doesn't do Enough.
RedHat Abandoned the Desktop and Make some Windows only software.
IBM sued over Patents.
KDE started as closed source, is unstable, and to complex.
Gnome treats users Like morons.

Do I really need to go on?


Gee, one would almost start to wonder if there wasn't some kind of astroturf smear campaign going on here.

I wounder if there might be some influential party somewhere who was interested in encouraging its own supporters to go on Internet forums, pretend to be ordinary users, and moan incessantly about FOSS for any reason at all that they could dream up. It doesn't have to make any sense, it just has to drive a wedge, and introduce a negative meme. Divide and conquer stuff.

Hmmm.

Perhaps that is why we hear this kind of stuff over and over, ad nauseum, even though it is absolute drivel.

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RE[2]: This again!
by saynte on Wed 15th Sep 2010 10:33 in reply to "RE: This again!"
saynte Member since:
2007-12-10

Remember, however, that the recent initial spark for the 'Canonical doesn't do enough' argument came from within the FOSS community, not from without.

This is the case with many of the perceived FOSS 'problems', they are often criticisms leveled by those from within. In the end you just have to examine each point on its own and decide if it is drivel or not: ignore all of the 'moaning' and you'll miss something valuable to be sure.

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RE[2]: This again!
by dragossh on Wed 15th Sep 2010 12:13 in reply to "RE: This again!"
dragossh Member since:
2008-12-16

I bet Microsoft is paying people to do this...

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RE[2]: This again!
by nt_jerkface on Wed 15th Sep 2010 18:56 in reply to "RE: This again!"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Perhaps that is why we hear this kind of stuff over and over, ad nauseum, even though it is absolute drivel.


The problem with that theory is that outside of FOSS nerds will still argue over the most trivial subjects like which Star Trek was best or what constitutes an RPG.

It happens in the .net realm as well, just google "wpf vs winforms" to see a good example.

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RE: This again!
by r_a_trip on Wed 15th Sep 2010 11:47 in reply to "This again!"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

So we should stop healthy discourse and sharing of thoughts because it is seen by some as hate? One of the beautiful things that accompany the FOSS communities, is that every thing is open, even the bickering. At any given time you are in the clear where the gravity of an issue lies.

What good would it do to object to anything but not make that objection clear? People are free to object and act accordingly. With FOSS you get it upfront and out in the open.

As an aside: If everybody kept their mouth shut, what comments would you post on OSNews?

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RE[2]: This again!
by tweakedenigma on Wed 15th Sep 2010 14:08 in reply to "RE: This again!"
tweakedenigma Member since:
2006-12-27

I'm not saying people shouldn't say anything or shouldn't complain, (anyone that knows me will tell you I complain all the time). However, this attitude of these people don't do enough, these people aren't open enough, etc. Is a waste of effort. Does Canonical contribute as much code as Redhat or Novell, no, but look at the difference in size.

I have also seem many mention the Community well, I have been around for a while and I remember the Linux community before Ubuntu, seemed to be filled with lots of RTFM comments, if nothing else Ubuntu has provided a place where new users can get help without being treated like morons And if that is the only thing they ever did for the community it would be enough for me.

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