Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:21 UTC
Multimedia, AV If the rumours are true, and if this Pastebin post (be sure to mirror the key if that won't get you in trouble with your authorities) is legitimate, then it looks like High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection has been cracked so hard its mother's mother felt it. HDCP is a copy protection mechanism which protects the audio and video streams sent over DisplayPort, HDMI, and DVI.
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RE: DRM is still effective
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 15th Sep 2010 04:55 UTC in reply to "DRM is still effective"
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

While 9 years is a a long time as far as technology goes, at least hardware and to a lesser extent software... it's not for media/storage formats. How long has the audio CD been around? Or the video DVD? As with any other format, they intend Blu-ray to last just about as long once it picks up. And IMO, it hasn't even really picked up yet. And already, one of its primary DRM systems is totally f***ed. Hasn't AACS been cracked as well, a while back? I thought I read something about that.

So yeah, I would consider this a major blow to the DRM guys; next thing you know, they'll put some new type of DRM or other copy protection on their movies, which will lock out all current players, just because it's so damn broken right now. Or else, every Blu-ray disc will easily be cracked until it's replaced with something else... which is most likely going to be a hell of a long time.

DRM... as always, a major failure. Yet people still defend it?

Edited 2010-09-15 04:57 UTC

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RE[2]: DRM is still effective
by WorknMan on Wed 15th Sep 2010 05:20 in reply to "RE: DRM is still effective"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

As with any other format, they intend Blu-ray to last just about as long once it picks up. And IMO, it hasn't even really picked up yet.


Yeah, not really. Among its other problems, I'm not too keen on buying a movie-playing device that has to constantly phone home to some faceless corporate entity in order to make sure I have permission to play the movie I just bought. And having to constantly update the firmware on the device is enough to make my parents not interested in messing with it either.

In short, I'll stick with DVDs.

Edited 2010-09-15 05:21 UTC

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Yeah, not really. Among its other problems, I'm not too keen on buying a movie-playing device that has to constantly phone home to some faceless corporate entity in order to make sure I have permission to play the movie I just bought. And having to constantly update the firmware on the device is enough to make my parents not interested in messing with it either.

In short, I'll stick with DVDs.

Totally agree with you on that. Aside from the possibilities of BD-writable discs and the loads of storage they provide, I'm not too fond of Blu-ray myself. The video format is a punch in the face to its own customers, and even the rewritable discs cost a lot still. As I mentioned, the format is barely even off the ground... by the time it has gained some traction, it will be as easy to find a Blu-ray ripping program for most OSes as it is for DVD.

DVD--for both video and general data storage--works quite well right now as it is.

Edited 2010-09-15 05:58 UTC

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RE[2]: DRM is still effective
by earksiinni on Wed 15th Sep 2010 06:13 in reply to "RE: DRM is still effective"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

As with any other format, they intend Blu-ray to last just about as long once it picks up.


You don't know that. My point is that everyone on these and other tech-oriented forums looks at DRM from an engineering perspective, as if the effectiveness of DRM should be judged by whether it's cracked or not. I'm pretty sure that after years of DRM schemes being cracked, the industry is aware that any DRM will be cracked; anything stated in public to the contrary is pure rhetoric, we shouldn't be so naive as to believe that when a company states that their encryption is unbreakable that they actually mean that. Confidence is half the battle.

Companies work with numbers and metrics, not absolutes. For all we know, nine years is well beyond what they expected.

Moreover, who are "they"? Many actors are involved, all with different interests. Don't you think that there are certain parties who would very well like to see new standards constantly created because it would be profitable for them? Maybe "they" intend for DRM to be vulnerable to keep up the need for new DRM regimes.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I'm pretty sure that after years of DRM schemes being cracked, the industry is aware that any DRM will be cracked; anything stated in public to the contrary is pure rhetoric, we shouldn't be so naive as to believe that when a company states that their encryption is unbreakable that they actually mean that.

Duh, like I said, they're lies. Marketing lies. Lies which some people believe will "protect" their crap. While in reality, in the end, it won't do shit.

But if they fully expect them to be cracked within a relatively short amount of time, then why the living f*** waste money, over and over and over again, on DRM schemes that are known to be bogus?

After all, a user NEEDS the key to decrypt the data. The key is basically GIVEN to them, though in a purposely hard-to-find way. Once found, all bets are off... period. And this is destined to happen.

You can't practically give a person a key and not expect them to use it to their own benefit, to be able to use the data that THEY JUST BOUGHT to make personal copies for their own devices.

Never mind piracy; if you make your movies enough of a pain in the ass to watch in all their glory, people *will* try to find better ways to get them. And that is where the so-called "pirates" come in.

Too bad the pirates provide a better, more trouble-free product than the DRM-loving producers of the content themselves.

Edited 2010-09-15 08:50 UTC

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