Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Sep 2010 22:42 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu If there's one consistent piece of criticism that gets lobbed in Canonical's and Mark Shuttleworth's direction, it's that they do not contribute enough code - or anything else for that matter - to the Free software world. Mark Shuttleworth has apparently had enough, and has written a very, very lengthy blog post detailing how he feels about this criticism.
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felipec
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2007-09-25

I have been using Linux, for various purposes, since 1996. I have submitted plenty of bug reports, and all of them closed with "Won't Fix" by the developers. Since I don't contribute code, what you are saying is I am not a member of the Linux community. It wouldn;t surprise me if you are a developer that loves to just close known bugs with "Won't fix", failing to add that they are just too damn lazy to do so.


You are contributing with what you can; giving feedback, so you are a member of the community. Maybe your feedback doesn't materialize in changes to other end-users, but at least you are trying.

Canonical isn't even trying, and they do have something more than bug reports to contribute; code. They have resources, they just don't want to share them.

And BTW, I am a developer, and most likely I've only closed 1% of my bugs as won't fix.

My point is that Linux developers are the ones generally doing things for "self-interest". There really is no "community" as you put it. Believe it or not, I use Linux every day, I just know better than to attempt to "contribute", as history has shown not to bother. I currently use Mandriva, so go ahead and slam me for that while you are at it saying it is not "Linux" and such.


Everyone does things for "self-interest", even people that give money to charities do it because it makes them feel good. The point here is that an evil Canonical would be doing exactly the same thing, unlike an evil RedHat, which would be doing, well, what Canonical is doing.

I have no problem with people using Canonical products; if it works for you, great. Just don't claim that Canonical is collaboration, because that's not true.

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Panajev Member since:
2008-01-09

Canonical isn't even trying


Really? Do they pay their designers and programmers for doing nothing? Do they have a not small staff which sits around and does nothing all day?

They have resources, they just don't want to share them.


Which is why they made a proprietary closed source solution nobody can learn anything from... right?

There is a lot more than the code those upstream projects provide. Even the glue that binds them together and exposes them to users without making them insane is highly valuable but, together with emphasis on UI design (and other areas that non computer enthusiasts focus on/feel are important), is often labelled as trivial "easy" work and this attitude is not helping the OSS world.

Edited 2010-09-15 11:59 UTC

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felipec Member since:
2007-09-25

"Canonical isn't even trying


Really? Do they pay their designers and programmers for doing nothing? Do they have a not small staff which sits around and does nothing all day?
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They pay them to work in Ubuntu, and Ubuntu alone.

"They have resources, they just don't want to share them.


Which is why they made a proprietary closed source solution nobody can learn anything from... right?

There is a lot more than the code those upstream projects provide. Even the glue that binds them together and exposes them to users without making them insane is highly valuable but, together with emphasis on UI design (and other areas that non computer enthusiasts focus on/feel are important), is often labelled as trivial "easy" work and this attitude is not helping the OSS world.
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I am not saying what they do is useless; I'm saying they do it for Ubuntu, and couldn't care less whether other distributions finds their work usable or not, nor whether their patches make it upstream or not. That's what the statistics show.

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