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Apple I love OSNews, but it does seem like some of its editors enjoy just a little too much taking a good natured jab at Apple upon occasion (well, more like every chance that particular editor can get). I thought it time for a little good news and analysis about Apple that critics often overlook.
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RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 16th Sep 2010 21:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Tuishimi"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

The problem is more often that Apple tends to make weird combinations to save money - big-ass processor, yet crappy and too little RAM, sub-standard hard drives, underpowered video cards, and so on.

That being said, Apple rules the roost when it comes to laptops (although HP's Envy line is comparable now, I just haven't ever seen one here) and the iMacs. Best computers you can recommended to friends and family.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi
by No it isnt on Thu 16th Sep 2010 21:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

The laptop lines are fine (except the Airbook, which is mostly a vanity product), but the iMacs? The only thing they've got going for them is the form factor, certainly not the price. Upgradability is low, and OS X support cut-off means a >5yr old Mac is obsolete. It's a fine product, but it's still very expensive compared to a comparable PC.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Morgan on Fri 17th Sep 2010 00:42 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Upgradability is low, and OS X support cut-off means a >5yr old Mac is obsolete.


Tell that to the happy folks at lowendmac.com and other PPC/old Mac communities. Hell, I used a G3 PowerBook "Pismo" daily until last year when the power cord shorted and fried the logic board. "Obsolete" is relative; that ten year old G3 'book was the absolute perfect writing machine for me. It had one of the best notebook keyboards ever made, it was quick enough for simultaneous writing, web browsing and listening to music, and it was one of the most durable Mac notebooks ever made. Sure, I'd never play Doom 3 on it, but why would I want to? It was a tool that did its job well, and I am still torn between getting another one and moving into this decade with a new MacBook.

Back to the iMacs in question: All Intel iMacs, all G5 iMacs and most later G4 iMacs can run Leopard, which hasn't been cut off at all. The only thing truly obsolete on those PPC Macs is the video processor, as it is integrated into the logic board and limits usefulness with regard to gaming and watching videos.

Also, while they won't run Snow Leopard, by the time 10.7 comes out (moving Leopard to "unsupported") those Macs will be nearing 10 years old anyway. I'd say that is a good run for an all-in-one PC. Try installing Windows Vista (the older of the two currently supported Microsoft OSes) on a maxed out eight year old Pentium 4 and watch it choke and struggle. I know, I've tried it. On the other hand, Leopard on a G4 iMac is as snappy as Tiger.

As for the current crop of aluminum iMacs, I'd expect them to remain useful and supported at least through the next two OS releases.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Budd on Fri 17th Sep 2010 07:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Budd Member since:
2005-07-08

No,not really. I am still using my G4 Quicksilver (without upgrade,well except a bigger HDD) almost every day. In fact is my only computer in my countryside home.Flash is dramatically slow on it but I really don't miss it. Email,web and photo work are just fine on it.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Finchwizard on Thu 16th Sep 2010 22:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Finchwizard Member since:
2006-02-01

Your right. 4GB RAM in the entire iMac range and Laptop range as standard. What bastards.

And Sub Standard hard drives? What are you smoking? Hitachi have always been a great brand, so have Seagate.

I've had both in my Macs.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Feanor on Fri 17th Sep 2010 00:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Feanor Member since:
2006-12-21

Brand is usually a high ranking brand (I've seen alot of WD HDDs), but they usually are behind on Cache levels, SSD drives pale in comparison to other brands.

Having worked in a Authorized repair center, I can tell you they had a nasty problem (which they release a service advisory for) of hard drives up and dying and killing all of your data.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi
by r_a_trip on Fri 17th Sep 2010 13:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Best computers you can recommended to friends and family.

Maybe if you want to brush your friends and family off and not have anything to do with support. I've found it much easier to just select a machine that has the necessary power to perform the tasks a friend or a family member wants to perform. (In my case that is more often light stuff). If Windows is a requisite, then that is what they'll get.

I'd rather they go with Linux. Intel system with *Nix OS. Same oomph as what Apple sells, but at a fraction of the cost. Some of my "clients" did go with Linux and they are the least intensive, support wise.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by aesiamun on Fri 17th Sep 2010 16:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

Offtopic: Your *Nix doesn't match Linux..just UNIX which includes Mac OS X ;)

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RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi
by kaiwai on Sat 18th Sep 2010 01:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

The problem is more often that Apple tends to make weird combinations to save money - big-ass processor, yet crappy and too little RAM, sub-standard hard drives, underpowered video cards, and so on.

That being said, Apple rules the roost when it comes to laptops (although HP's Envy line is comparable now, I just haven't ever seen one here) and the iMacs. Best computers you can recommended to friends and family.


So a Radeon 5XXX series video card and 4GB of RAM as standard is considered horrible these days? colour me confused given that I can do my work quite comfortably on 4GB of RAM. If the criticisms were directed at the Mac Pro - its always been a rip off ever since it was released. There was a moment in history where the PowerMac low end model was actually within reaching distance of the prosumer but these days in NZ you're forking over at least NZ$4K+ for something that is only marginally better than the NZ$600 cheaper maxed out iMac.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by _txf_ on Sat 18th Sep 2010 01:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17



So a Radeon 5XXX series video card and 4GB of RAM as standard is considered horrible these days?


The the issue here are the XXXes in the model number. There are plenty of (cheaper) gaming laptops with far more powerful gpus and much greater space and heat dissipation constraints...

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Tue 21st Sep 2010 22:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

My comment was about the mac pro. I said I built a clone for $1500 which you then promptly read a million things into and made it some sort of personal vendetta.

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