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Apple I love OSNews, but it does seem like some of its editors enjoy just a little too much taking a good natured jab at Apple upon occasion (well, more like every chance that particular editor can get). I thought it time for a little good news and analysis about Apple that critics often overlook.
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RE[3]: I'm A Little Surprised...
by aledujke on Fri 17th Sep 2010 00:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I'm A Little Surprised..."
aledujke
Member since:
2010-01-02

how about this then:
http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-studio-xps-16/pd.as...

compare a mac to this... 1200$ for an outstanding dell laptop.

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC373LL/A?mco=MTc0Njg1ODE

Similar mac would be 2199$ +100$ for a higher resolution screen. The hard-drives are similar.. since the one in xps is rotating @7200 but is smaller than the one in macbook Pro ._. and the look of xps is great.. it even has leather ;)

besides why are we the ones who are supposed to show any links... the OP should have included the links to the mac/dell machines he claims are competitive to the dell machines.

Or anyone else who say mac is competitive to anything else price wise.

Also for custom built machines there is a website that seems to eb popular in US... but I'm from Eu so I'm not really sure about it.. I just played with their configurator...
it's cyberpowerpc or something like that.

edit:
here it is:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Xtreme_XI/

compare that to mac pro

Edited 2010-09-17 00:49 UTC

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NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

You are missing the point. First of all it is a Dell with a "classy" paint job. It still does not have:

+ The MacBook Pros Aluminum uni-body enclosure for durability and weight.
+ No Bluetooth Standard (It is listed as an option)
+ No Firewire 800
+ No Long-life extended battery
+ No Illuminated keyboard and ambient light sensor
What about Optical Digital Input and Outputs? How about a Multi-touch Trackpad?

Those are just a few of the Hardware differences. There are things that you get with the MacBook Pro that you do not get with the DELL and the other way round too. But in my eyes there is no comparison and while sure you can get a decent laptop for less then a MB Pro it will not be as good as one. You do get what you pay for here.

We haven't even touched on the software you get (and the crap ware you don't get).

As to the links I was referring to the iMac- Dell comparison listed above. The Pro line of Macs has always been a premium price. But there is a reason it is that way, nothing exists that is of the same quality and design. Shouldn't that cost a bit more? The consumer Macs are another story and are still very competitive. I am not going to provide links as a simple search will give plenty of examples both ways. I was referring to links to the specific post above.

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aledujke Member since:
2010-01-02

+ The MacBook Pros Aluminum uni-body enclosure for durability and weight.
uni-body? It feels solid as it is. No really. you make it sound like it's a ugly looking and poor quality which it is not. It is durable.

+ No Bluetooth Standard (It is listed as an option)
20$!!! for internal bt... okay so price is not 1200 it's 1220$

+ No Firewire 800
-Srsly? You buy mac for firewire? Why do you need it? I never saw a pc laptop with firewire... it's a mac thing. Only practical use for this would be for old camcorders and external harddrives - made by apple. The newer camcorders (for few years now) all have USB interface.

+ No Long-life extended battery.
-Battery is good what is not is power saving techniques. Like having switchable graphics. But having more than 3hrs of battery life is more than 90% ppl. would need.

+ No Illuminated keyboard and ambient light sensor.
-The keyboard is illuminated and I'm not sure about ambient light sensor.

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There are things that you get with the MacBook Pro that you do not get with the DELL and the other way round too.
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Yes that's true. But the price you pay for what you get with mac is too high. That's what we (pro pc guys) are saying. And since you clearly say otherwise I'm not sure we can continue this -_- It will become "It is!"/"It's not!" discussion >.>

My personal opinion here is: Mac is overpriced. And apple is the company that makes me want to destroy beautiful things ._. Yeah they revolutionized some things like OP said... but the article focused only on the good side of things. Like the app market. It's a neat concept. But I do not like the way apple has made it. They way they fuck things up for developers. Op said that developers get a neat percentage. But apple until recently did not allow ads inside of apps (unless you use their ads platform?). why not!? Because they are greedy. They fucked adobe over by not allowing 3rd party developers tools. Yeah I know since few days ago they do. But years have passed since the app store was started. They do not allow flash because they do not want to allow you to be able to play flash games from sites like kongregate and miniclip. They want you to buy them from their app store. And they make excuses like flash is not good for the battery... yeah right!

As for iTunes store...also a neat concept but since it's apple's child it comes with fairplay. And I do not like it because of that.

The reason why apple succeeds is because they are the best choice for folks who do not understand that "T3h Ultimate screen saver collection volume 135" downlaoded from thepiratebay is probably full of viruses. The ppl. who do not care that their music is drm protected. And the ppl. who have trouble with networking it seems. Not all of them are like this. Mac is a productive machine it's just very expensive compared to the machine that can offer same productivity but is a pc.

I use Linux as a web developer for my job because I'm most productive under it. I play games from windows 7 on my desktop computer and I surf the internet without fear for viruses because I avoid the shit when I see it. And guess what!? I do not need to reinstall anything every 6 months like most ppl. would do. And I upgrade my pc on some 2-3 years average. when I invest some ~600 euros into new parts.

Shit! I'm nerdraging now...

bah I do not want to be part of this discussion anymore... I feel like we are worlds apart here. Whatever good you see in apple (to me) is overclouded by bad things apple does.

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mrstep Member since:
2009-07-18

Nice - an extra lb of weight right out of the gate, half the battery life (if you get the 9 cell, which probable adds even more weight?), and the benefit of leather.

But seriously, you better factor in the weight/cost of dragging a second 9 cell battery, upgrade the one you're looking at with one as well, apparently add a bluetooth module (??? non-standard, according to the Dell 'customizer' walkthrough I just tried), get the higher-end screen, get a better version of Win7 since Apple doesn't have gimped versions of the OS for users, and... now the 'starting price' is already over $1700 for a heavier machine with worse battery life, though it has some opaque 'total savings' that bring it to $1500 (and still doesn't include that extra battery), which while better than $1700+ is still not going to get you the same lighter, longer-lived, and Windows Free experience. Unless you're that into virus scans on top of it. But I'll concede, the Mac is still more expensive. And I didn't see a better trackpad option either. :/

On the Mac Pro comparison, are you really comparing a single-CPU setup to the dual Xeon 12-core Pro? What's the price comparison you want? Would you like to compare render times? Not to mention whatever that hideous lit case thing is... ;)

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aledujke Member since:
2010-01-02

I feel like I'm being trolled here.

are these the mac book pro laptops?:
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro

Find the similarly specd' mac book there and compare it to the xps with internal blue tooth module 1220$ total. To me that looks like a 2200$ mac book pro that has 4Gb ram and core i7 cpu. 980$ difference.

xps has better screen than mac book pro. Why would you want to upgrade it? So that it's even better? And why a better version of win7?

Also the battery is already 9 cell one.

But yeah mac has uni body... for which I do not give a damn... why would I need it? So that it feels more solid!? Xps feels very solid as it is.

Only thing I really like about macbooks is their outstanding touchpad. The only thing! I do not need to +3h autonomy. I do not need the uni body. Most of us do not. And I will not pay 1k more for that. To those who do need it, take a look at timelinex series from acer. And I think both HP and Toshiba have series with dual graphics solutions that have very good autonomy and cpu power.

For mac pro... I compared the 2500$ PC to the 2500$ mac pro (it has no 12 cores the one that does is 5k$). The pc is far better but yeah... like I said I doubt you even looked. And hence the feeling of being trolled. It has neon lights and see trough side panel gamer type case. The thing is you can customize it whatever you like. You can remove the lights the crossfire graphics and change the case, since you are removing one of the VGA adapters you can change the PSU you do not need to 800watt one. The price will fall down a lot. Also you do not need the water cooling and touchscreen front panel for fan control ._. heck I just saw it also has a 128GB SDD.. you can easily get below the 2000$ mark and end up with far better solution than 2500$ mac. If you need two CPUs solution I doubt the site I posted sells those. But that does not mean you can not find them somewhere... and trust me they cost far less then mac pro.

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