Linked by mjhi11 on Thu 16th Sep 2010 20:13 UTC
Apple I love OSNews, but it does seem like some of its editors enjoy just a little too much taking a good natured jab at Apple upon occasion (well, more like every chance that particular editor can get). I thought it time for a little good news and analysis about Apple that critics often overlook.
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RE[4]: I'm A Little Surprised...
by NeoX on Fri 17th Sep 2010 01:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I'm A Little Surprised..."
NeoX
Member since:
2006-02-19

You are missing the point. First of all it is a Dell with a "classy" paint job. It still does not have:

+ The MacBook Pros Aluminum uni-body enclosure for durability and weight.
+ No Bluetooth Standard (It is listed as an option)
+ No Firewire 800
+ No Long-life extended battery
+ No Illuminated keyboard and ambient light sensor
What about Optical Digital Input and Outputs? How about a Multi-touch Trackpad?

Those are just a few of the Hardware differences. There are things that you get with the MacBook Pro that you do not get with the DELL and the other way round too. But in my eyes there is no comparison and while sure you can get a decent laptop for less then a MB Pro it will not be as good as one. You do get what you pay for here.

We haven't even touched on the software you get (and the crap ware you don't get).

As to the links I was referring to the iMac- Dell comparison listed above. The Pro line of Macs has always been a premium price. But there is a reason it is that way, nothing exists that is of the same quality and design. Shouldn't that cost a bit more? The consumer Macs are another story and are still very competitive. I am not going to provide links as a simple search will give plenty of examples both ways. I was referring to links to the specific post above.

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aledujke Member since:
2010-01-02

+ The MacBook Pros Aluminum uni-body enclosure for durability and weight.
uni-body? It feels solid as it is. No really. you make it sound like it's a ugly looking and poor quality which it is not. It is durable.

+ No Bluetooth Standard (It is listed as an option)
20$!!! for internal bt... okay so price is not 1200 it's 1220$

+ No Firewire 800
-Srsly? You buy mac for firewire? Why do you need it? I never saw a pc laptop with firewire... it's a mac thing. Only practical use for this would be for old camcorders and external harddrives - made by apple. The newer camcorders (for few years now) all have USB interface.

+ No Long-life extended battery.
-Battery is good what is not is power saving techniques. Like having switchable graphics. But having more than 3hrs of battery life is more than 90% ppl. would need.

+ No Illuminated keyboard and ambient light sensor.
-The keyboard is illuminated and I'm not sure about ambient light sensor.

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There are things that you get with the MacBook Pro that you do not get with the DELL and the other way round too.
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Yes that's true. But the price you pay for what you get with mac is too high. That's what we (pro pc guys) are saying. And since you clearly say otherwise I'm not sure we can continue this -_- It will become "It is!"/"It's not!" discussion >.>

My personal opinion here is: Mac is overpriced. And apple is the company that makes me want to destroy beautiful things ._. Yeah they revolutionized some things like OP said... but the article focused only on the good side of things. Like the app market. It's a neat concept. But I do not like the way apple has made it. They way they fuck things up for developers. Op said that developers get a neat percentage. But apple until recently did not allow ads inside of apps (unless you use their ads platform?). why not!? Because they are greedy. They fucked adobe over by not allowing 3rd party developers tools. Yeah I know since few days ago they do. But years have passed since the app store was started. They do not allow flash because they do not want to allow you to be able to play flash games from sites like kongregate and miniclip. They want you to buy them from their app store. And they make excuses like flash is not good for the battery... yeah right!

As for iTunes store...also a neat concept but since it's apple's child it comes with fairplay. And I do not like it because of that.

The reason why apple succeeds is because they are the best choice for folks who do not understand that "T3h Ultimate screen saver collection volume 135" downlaoded from thepiratebay is probably full of viruses. The ppl. who do not care that their music is drm protected. And the ppl. who have trouble with networking it seems. Not all of them are like this. Mac is a productive machine it's just very expensive compared to the machine that can offer same productivity but is a pc.

I use Linux as a web developer for my job because I'm most productive under it. I play games from windows 7 on my desktop computer and I surf the internet without fear for viruses because I avoid the shit when I see it. And guess what!? I do not need to reinstall anything every 6 months like most ppl. would do. And I upgrade my pc on some 2-3 years average. when I invest some ~600 euros into new parts.

Shit! I'm nerdraging now...

bah I do not want to be part of this discussion anymore... I feel like we are worlds apart here. Whatever good you see in apple (to me) is overclouded by bad things apple does.

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NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

Ok, well you have your opinion and I have mine too. But understand that I am not some Anti-Windows PC guy, couldn't be furthest from the truth as I have built countless windows pcs going back 15+ years. I know all about the weaknesses of both platforms. But also what comes with being a Mac user is the constant criticism that I am used to over just owning one. I have worked in IT and software development and IT sales for nearly 2 decades and I have heard it all. Well I can say my experiences with the Mac too and they are definitely not as bad as people want you to believe. Have you used a Mac extensively and with an Open Mind? If you haven't then don't spread the hearsay...

+ The MacBook Pros Aluminum uni-body enclosure for durability and weight.
uni-body? It feels solid as it is. No really. you make it sound like it's a ugly looking and poor quality which it is not. It is durable.


I have worked on several Studios and while for a Dell they are decent they do not, in my opinion, feel or look as elegant and sturdy as the MBP. Sorry just my opinion.


+ No Firewire 800
-Srsly? You buy mac for firewire? Why do you need it? I never saw a pc laptop with firewire... it's a mac thing. Only practical use for this would be for old camcorders and external harddrives - made by apple. The newer camcorders (for few years now) all have USB interface.


I have a lot of digital equipment and devices that rely on FireWire. Yes it is not as popular as it once was but maybe you should have a look at the music and audio production and video industry, it is still widely used. My camcorders still have FireWire.


My personal opinion here is: Mac is overpriced.


Of course that is your opinion. But people could say the same about
BMW and Mercedes. Perhaps a better term is high priced. But for some it is worth the bit of extra, but not everyone wants the premium stuff. I Do which is why I use Apple and build my own Windows boxes.


They way they fuck things up for developers. Op said that developers get a neat percentage. But apple until recently did not allow ads inside of apps (unless you use their ads platform?). why not!? Because they are greedy. They fucked adobe over by not allowing 3rd party developers tools. Yeah I know since few days ago they do. But years have passed since the app store was started. They do not allow flash because they do not want to allow you to be able to play flash games from sites like kongregate and miniclip. They want you to buy them from their app store. And they make excuses like flash is not good for the battery... yeah right!


As a developer that has made both Mac and Windows software and used many tools like XCode, REALStudio and Visual Studio I can say that the free tools that Apple supplies to developers are complete, no need for Pro or Express or Team Editions. They also supply some amazing frameworks to go with them. Personally I don't like the model that XCode uses and prefer the more traditional VS model but it works and its FREE. The App store of course has had its flaws but it has changed the way people make money with their indie apps. I have known several people that literally became millionaires for a few weeks of work. Tough to beat that.

As for screwing over Adobe because of Flash? No, Adobe is screwing over everyone WITH flash. It is a kludgy piece of code that has lost its way since it first started and needed very little cpu time. Now it barely runs on P4 class systems.

I also didn't now that Apple didn't allow flash so people wouldn't play flash games. That is news to me. You can hardly prove that.


As for iTunes store...also a neat concept but since it's apple's child it comes with fairplay. And I do not like it because of that.


In case you missed it Apple announced DRM free music last year.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/06itunes.html


The reason why apple succeeds is because they are the best choice for folks who do not understand that "T3h Ultimate screen saver collection volume 135" downlaoded from thepiratebay is probably full of viruses. The ppl. who do not care that their music is drm protected. And the ppl. who have trouble with networking it seems. Not all of them are like this. Mac is a productive machine it's just very expensive compared to the machine that can offer same productivity but is a pc.


Wow, a lot of stereotypes and non-sense in that paragraph. I have no trouble with networking, nor do I have trouble with PCs and malware.


bah I do not want to be part of this discussion anymore... I feel like we are worlds apart here. Whatever good you see in apple (to me) is overclouded by bad things apple does.


Maybe we are but I try to look at things with an open mind. I like Apple products, I also like Microsoft products. I am a fan of Open Source software and the various Linux distros. But I am realistic and know that not every solution fits for every person. I am glad you like what you like and I am not going to slam you for it.

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