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Apple I love OSNews, but it does seem like some of its editors enjoy just a little too much taking a good natured jab at Apple upon occasion (well, more like every chance that particular editor can get). I thought it time for a little good news and analysis about Apple that critics often overlook.
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RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sat 18th Sep 2010 03:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi
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Where you could easily get a iMac to do the same job - if you bought a maxed out iMac, in 4-5 years time it would do its job well over that time span. I'm sure you'll bring about 'piecemeal upgrades' but when you add those up you're no better off at the end of 4-5 years that if you kept with an iMac and did a total replacement.


What? As a work machine running windows 7? No? I built the equivalent of a mac pro in computing power (quad core, ATI 5850, 8 GB RAM, 3 TB of disk space, etc.) but was then required to switch to Windows so I switched to running Windows 7 full time on it. I am a software engineer and the more cores and the more memory I have the better when I am building apps and running several different web servers at a time.

Don't get me wrong, My son has my old Intel iMac, and my daughter has my old G5 iMac... I keep them and use them. I'm just saying I was able to build the equivalent of a Mac Pro for $1500. Period.

Yes, and software that use weird proprietary and buggy drivers when compared to Apple that uses bonjour, CUPS and so on.


You know, I don't know exactly what you are trying to get out (in reference to the rest of your post that I chopped out)... My household uses macs. We have:

4 Apple routers
1 iPhone
2 iPods
1 Intel iMac
1 G5 iMac
1 Macbook
and one old G4 Mac Mini.

My point was that the author is stretching HIS points a little. You can have the equivalent computing power for less money. Maybe not for better style, but for less money. As far as durability goes, I chose my components carefully and still spent far less money than I would have on the Mac Pro. Looks good, but when I build my own machine I know what goes in it, I am able to apply better cooling mechanisms, and while it isn't as pretty, my Cooler Master case isn't have bad looking, and is pretty functional.

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RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi
by kaiwai on Sun 19th Sep 2010 04:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

What? As a work machine running windows 7? No? I built the equivalent of a mac pro in computing power (quad core, ATI 5850, 8 GB RAM, 3 TB of disk space, etc.) but was then required to switch to Windows so I switched to running Windows 7 full time on it. I am a software engineer and the more cores and the more memory I have the better when I am building apps and running several different web servers at a time.

Don't get me wrong, My son has my old Intel iMac, and my daughter has my old G5 iMac... I keep them and use them. I'm just saying I was able to build the equivalent of a Mac Pro for $1500. Period.


Again you fail to actually explain to me why you require a Mac Pro when an iMac would do in the first place. I have already accepted in another post on this same article (do you actually read peoples posts?) where I said that the Mac Pro was horrifically over priced for what it provides - that you're better off getting a maxed out top of the line iMac than go down the route and get Mac Pro.

I come back and ask again, do you actually need a Mac Pro is it more a matter of having a 'tower' fetish of believing that real men who have real work to be done require a computer with a stand alone case ?

You know, I don't know exactly what you are trying to get out (in reference to the rest of your post that I chopped out)... My household uses macs. We have:

4 Apple routers
1 iPhone
2 iPods
1 Intel iMac
1 G5 iMac
1 Macbook
and one old G4 Mac Mini.

My point was that the author is stretching HIS points a little. You can have the equivalent computing power for less money. Maybe not for better style, but for less money. As far as durability goes, I chose my components carefully and still spent far less money than I would have on the Mac Pro. Looks good, but when I build my own machine I know what goes in it, I am able to apply better cooling mechanisms, and while it isn't as pretty, my Cooler Master case isn't have bad looking, and is pretty functional.


It has nothing to do with 'computer power', the term 'computer power' is the biggest load of horse crap since GWB post-9/11 speech where he said 'they had us because of our freedoms'. You purchase a computer to get a task done and quite frankly 'computer power' is but one on a long list of things I consider and no, I don't consider 'looks' as important as you may think - so stop projecting this bullcrap that some how every Mac user is a clueless idiot whose only concern is with aesthetics. I purchase my Mac because I prefer using Mac OS X - when people like you start labelling Mac users as moronic idiots dragged around by the nose because of looks rather than substance you better damn well back up such claims. You've failed to back up such claims every time you've opened your mouth and spouted such crap - and quite frankly I couldn't care about your 'Cool Master case' when it is coupled with a crap operating system, zero support in terms of warranty and having to deal with compatibility quirks between the different components.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

I come back and ask again, do you actually need a Mac Pro is it more a matter of having a 'tower' fetish of believing that real men who have real work to be done require a computer with a stand alone case ?

Kaiwai, what's up your pipe? My original post was simple and easy for a 2 year old to understand. I built a computer with the equivalent CPU, memory speed, and BETTER graphics card than a Mac Pro for much less. That was IT. What's your problem?

What the hell does NEED have to do with my original post. I was simply pointing out that I can build a computer equivalent to a Mac Pro for less. Maybe YOU SHOULD READ my original post from whence you launched your attack.

But I DID answer you. I want a computer that can run RoR, JBoss and Apache servers (3 at a time) and compile our entire web site and services, and run tests on AT THE SAME TIME while connecting to a database 3000 miles away. Also while I have multiple documents open via MS Word and our HTML APIs. I want as much speed as I can garner from my system to do this so that I don't have to wait for compilations and deployements constantly and spend more time testing and coding - not waiting.

And I disagree that computational power is a load of horse crap since I want as much speed and multiprocessing capability I can get at a reasonable price. YOU aren't proving anything to ME except that you can spew rhetoric better than most people. Which isn't saying much.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Here is my original post in case you missed it:
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Apple has always taken a beating for the so-called "Apple Tax" the premium customers pay over similarly equipped PCs.


I built a Mac Pro Clone for $1500 a year or so ago. It actually ran OS X for awhile, until I had to go Windows for work.

These network related advances have revolutionized networking, making what was once difficult, painfully simple.

There are other wireless routers that come with easy-to-use software. While I have, and use, 4 Apple wireless routers in my home (overkill a little - but we get a lot of radio interference in our area) I would not hesitate to purchase another brand.

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Now, however you got all those things you accused me of from that, I don't know, but if you were trying to piss me off with a load of bull crap you have succeeded. Does that please you? Stop reading between the lines and take what is written for what it is. Idiot.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh, and lastly, project my pointy-toed cowboy boot up your ass.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Arg. Kaiwai. I apologize for being rude. That was uncalled for. In the future I will simply endeavor to answer your questions without becoming emotional about it.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Tue 21st Sep 2010 22:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Again you fail to actually explain to me why you require a Mac Pro when an iMac would do in the first place. I have already accepted in another post on this same article (do you actually read peoples posts?) where I said that the Mac Pro was horrifically over priced for what it provides - that you're better off getting a maxed out top of the line iMac than go down the route and get Mac Pro.


Again? I didn't know I had to try in the first place, nor did I realize you were the keeper of such knowlege and I was required to explain my life and needs to you. Forgive me! And no, I did not see your other post as I was simply clicking on an email notification that brought me directly to your response. Do you ever do that?


I come back and ask again, do you actually need a Mac Pro is it more a matter of having a 'tower' fetish of believing that real men who have real work to be done require a computer with a stand alone case ?


In another response you accused me of an ad hominem attack... what the hell is this? And you said this before I let my rant go... pot, kettle, black.

It has nothing to do with 'computer power', the term 'computer power' is the biggest load of horse crap since GWB post-9/11 speech where he said 'they had us because of our freedoms'.


That's subjective bull-droppings. I agree that you buy a computer to get a job done. But there is such a thing as computational power and it does make a difference. Obviously if you don't USE your computer for anything other than blogging or homework, you don't need a computer with much power, as it appears to be the case with you.

You purchase a computer to get a task done and quite frankly 'computer power' is but one on a long list of things I consider

and no, I don't consider 'looks' as important as you may think - so stop projecting this bullcrap that some how every Mac user is a clueless idiot whose only concern is with aesthetics.


Please oh please tell me where I even intimated that? Please! Seriously. Where did you get that from? Did you smoke something and have a vision that told you I felt that way or something? Because a) I never said anything like that and b) I am an apple user. I don't think you are a clueless idiot, but I do think you have an overactive imagination.

I purchase my Mac because I prefer using Mac OS X - when people like you start labelling Mac users as moronic idiots


Again, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM? If YOU ever read MY other posts on OSNews you would see that I am rather FOND of Apple and their products. But obviously you did not and have not... you only read what suits you and then you make up other stuff to fill in the cracks that you want a post to say.

I couldn't care about your 'Cool Master case' when it is coupled with a crap operating system, zero support in terms of warranty and having to deal with compatibility quirks between the different components.


Yeah, you don't get a "warranty" on Apple products (for more than a basic 90 days) unless you fork over more $$$ as well. I know because our iPhone, and MacBook both have extended warranties. The G5 had one but it has expired.

And what compatibility quirks are you talking about? So you've owned a cooler master case and you've built your own PC before? You encountered quirks? What might those have been?

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