Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 19th Sep 2010 21:18 UTC, submitted by gireesh
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris It's been a troubling couple of weeks for Mandriva, but I decided not to report on it since I found it hard to unravel the events leading up to all this. Now, though, the story has come to its (logical) conclusion: now that most of Mandriva's employees have been laid off, they came together and forked Mandriva. Enter Mageia.
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RE: Argh, so unfair...
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 19th Sep 2010 22:53 UTC in reply to "Argh, so unfair..."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

but what incompetence ? on generating less reviews, yes certainly.


How about wholly incompetent at running a business?

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RE[2]: Argh, so unfair...
by djame on Sun 19th Sep 2010 23:04 in reply to "RE: Argh, so unfair..."
djame Member since:
2005-07-08

"but what incompetence ? on generating less reviews, yes certainly.


How about wholly incompetent at running a business?
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You mean how about bashing them for failing where redhat, suse, xendros, linwin, gentoo and I can't remember who else failed as well ?
Come on, you know well that without the unlimited funding brought to ubuntu, there will be on the list too.

The problem is not on on how to build the best distro out there but how to build a successfull business model where "customer"'s alpha and omega seems to be "I want the best, I want it now and for free as in speech and as in beer. Please, I'm hurry otherwise I'll get your distro on bittorent and that's it"
So speaking of the incompetence of people who just tried everything as everyone else did is a bit unfair to me. it's like telling to people who can't fly that they suck big time because they can't do as well as superman or as the next billionaire who got some wings greffed on his back.

Edited 2010-09-19 23:06 UTC

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RE[3]: Argh, so unfair...
by sultanqasim on Mon 20th Sep 2010 01:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Argh, so unfair..."
sultanqasim Member since:
2006-10-28

Overall I agree with you comment, but I won't call RedHat a failure. They are a profitable company who build a solid product and earn hundreds of millions every year.

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RE[3]: Argh, so unfair...
by google_ninja on Mon 20th Sep 2010 14:11 in reply to "RE[2]: Argh, so unfair..."
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2006-02-05

so your argument is that since the business plan was impossible, the pursuit of the impossible shows competence in the management?

Part of being a good entrepreneur is knowing when to stop wasting your (and your investors) time and money, and move on to something that makes more sense.

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RE[3]: Argh, so unfair...
by Soulbender on Mon 20th Sep 2010 15:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Argh, so unfair..."
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2005-08-18

for failing where redhat, suse, xendros, linwin, gentoo and I can't remember who else failed as well ?


Redhat and SUSE is still around and gentoo isn't a for-profit operation. As for Xandros and Linwin, well yeah,I guess they weren't good enough businessmen either.

The problem is not on on how to build the best distro out there but how to build a successfull business model


So you're saying that Mandriva's management is competent even though it didn't manage to create a sustainable business model? Hmmm....

So speaking of the incompetence of people who just tried everything as everyone else did is a bit unfair to me.


If everyone else has already failed maybe it's not the right thing to try. Again, that's what competent management is supposed to be able to figure out.

Edit: Ok, you're trying to say that failure != incompetence. Sure, but if you fail for an extended period of time with everything you try incompetence might be part of the problem.

Edited 2010-09-20 15:28 UTC

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RE[2]: Argh, so unfair...
by danieldk on Mon 20th Sep 2010 09:22 in reply to "RE: Argh, so unfair..."
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Yes they were. I remember being at a trade show (HCC Dagen for Dutch people) ~2000. I was there working at a stand of a Dutch software vendor/distributor. Mandrake flew in some person to sell their product at the same stand. The person was obviously overpaid, knew nothing about their product, and was more concerned about making foreign phone calls (which were expensive in the days).

The suits were brought into Mandrake to early, and they seemed to be mostly concerned with burning cash and doing suit-stuff. They didn't care about the Mandrake community, or too much about the technical side of the distribution.

Red Hat on the other hand, has been governed by enthusiasts for a long time. Sure, they were business people, but they loved the company and the product. And it shows. E.g., when they buy out a company, they are usually quick to opensource the 'intellectual property' and build a community around it. They know that open source software forms the genes of the company, and act according to that.

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RE[3]: Argh, so unfair...
by jbauer on Mon 20th Sep 2010 09:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Argh, so unfair..."
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2005-07-06

Red Hat on the other hand, has been governed by enthusiasts for a long time. Sure, they were business people, but they loved the company and the product. And it shows. E.g., when they buy out a company, they are usually quick to opensource the 'intellectual property' and build a community around it. They know that open source software forms the genes of the company, and act according to that.


Yeah, and Red Hat also figured out a long time ago that you can't sell Linux to Average Joe. One would think Mandrake and others should have taken the hint by now.

Edited 2010-09-20 09:47 UTC

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