Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 19th Sep 2010 21:18 UTC, submitted by gireesh
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris It's been a troubling couple of weeks for Mandriva, but I decided not to report on it since I found it hard to unravel the events leading up to all this. Now, though, the story has come to its (logical) conclusion: now that most of Mandriva's employees have been laid off, they came together and forked Mandriva. Enter Mageia.
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RE: Not a bad thing
by WereCatf on Mon 20th Sep 2010 00:36 UTC in reply to "Not a bad thing"
WereCatf
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2006-02-15

I'm not sure why many people are seeing this as a bad thing. In my mind a fork might actually swing this distro back in the right direction.

Several reasons, really. One being that we have to migrate away from our existing Mandriva installations, which means having to reinstall the whole thing, all the apps and whatnot you may have there. Another that we'll have to use some other distro in the meantime while waiting for Mageia. Oh, and how about the stabilization time: I'll take atleast a year for Mageia to stabilize, and given how incredibly huge repositories there are for Mandriva it'll take a good long time for all that to appear for Mageia.

With all kinds of hurdles ahead of it, one of them being exactly the sheer amount of software they'll need on their repos, it'll take atleast 2 years before I can consider using it. That's the issue, really: Mandriva was usable now, Mageia isn't.

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RE[2]: Not a bad thing
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 20th Sep 2010 06:21 in reply to "RE: Not a bad thing"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I don't know... maybe it's just my opinion, but I think clearing a machine and starting over is actually a good thing. Cleans up garbage that's accumulated over time. If you have a separate /home partition, this is made even better; keep /home, but nuke the rest. I'm used to the Debian/Ubuntu way of package management, but I'm sure it applies to Mandriva as well: I can usually install re-install the typical programs and set up the system-wide configuration files in a tiny fraction of the time it takes to set up Windows machine. No endless updates/reboot sequence that's associated with a Windows machine.

I agree that it will take time to adjust and that the new distro will take some time to stabilize, but there are a couple of things to say about that. First, if what you have right now works and you don't need to have the latest and (supposedly) greatest versions of software, then why would you need to upgrade right away anyway? If you do want/need the latest, then yeah, you'll probably have to switch temporarily, but again--with a separate /home partition it's no big deal. And last, unless you run a business with dozens of machines to upgrade, this goes back to the first point: what's wrong with a good wipe for once?

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RE[3]: Not a bad thing
by WereCatf on Mon 20th Sep 2010 08:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Not a bad thing"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

First, if what you have right now works and you don't need to have the latest and (supposedly) greatest versions of software, then why would you need to upgrade right away anyway?

For security fixes you need something that is stable and keeps updated regularly. And it doesn't seem likely that Mandriva will be able to deliver that for long now.

And last, unless you run a business with dozens of machines to upgrade, this goes back to the first point: what's wrong with a good wipe for once?

For some it's fun to try out stuff and reinstall every now and then, but personally I'd rather just keep what's working. Linux does not really accumulate unneeded cruft so there is really no benefit to wiping it out. The only "cruft" I have is in /tmp, /var/log and whatever is left by the package manager, and I don't quite consider log-files unnecessary cruft.

So, reinstalling would benefit me...nothing. But just take time and effort.

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RE[3]: Not a bad thing
by Yagami on Mon 20th Sep 2010 08:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Not a bad thing"
Yagami Member since:
2006-07-15

yeah ... people love rewrites and cleaning and what not....

just dont release a 1.0 version with a bug or with a missing app ... OR THEY WILL KILL YOU, INSULT YOU, AND NEVER FORGIVE YOU

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RE[2]: Not a bad thing
by josi on Mon 20th Sep 2010 15:22 in reply to "RE: Not a bad thing"
josi Member since:
2009-03-11

One being that we have to migrate away from our existing Mandriva installations,


No, I don't think you need to. If I have understood correctly, it will just be an upgrade like it usually is when upgrading to a new version.

The future Mageia distro is still being developed in *Mandriva* Cooker.

Don't make your up conclusions before the Mageia team have published more detailed plans.

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