Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Sep 2010 21:15 UTC, submitted by Gregory Plummer
GNU, GPL, Open Source "So what is the state of the Hurd? Is it vaporware, like Duke Nukem Forever? Fortunately not: the code exists, there is still work going on (for instance as part of Google Summer of Code), and there are even some relatively functional Hurd distributions. Let's look first at the code and the current architecture, and then at the Hurd distributions."
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by henderson101 on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 13:33 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Outdated article"
henderson101
Member since:
2006-05-30

...NextStep was on version 3.3, released in 1995 when Apple bought them.


I don't mean to seem like I'm constantly correcting you, but no, wrong. OpenStep was released prior to the Apple acquisition. In fact, OpenStep 4.2 was the last release IIRC. Apple continued to ship OpenStep for quite a while after they owned Next.

The other thing of note is that OPENSTEP was a specification that Next created and a bunch of manufacturers supported. So there was a version of OPENSTEP running on Mach, Intel, Windows NT, some of the Sun hardware and some of the HP RISC based work stations. The Sun and WinNT versions ran on top of the underlying OS, the others ported the entire OS (IIRC). I've used the NT version and it works reasonably well, even today.

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by BluenoseJake on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 16:06 in reply to "RE[4]: Outdated article"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

OpenStep is not NextStep. OpenStep is the API and Spec that NextStep used. And just like NextStep, it WAS released prior to the acquisition, because it was first released in the 93. I never said NextStep or OpenStep wasn't released before the acquisition, so I'm not sure what your point is. OpenStep is also what GNUStep is based on.

NextStep is the OS and OpenStep is the API.

I don't think you are correcting me, because you aren't quite right.

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by bogomipz on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 18:59 in reply to "RE[5]: Outdated article"
bogomipz Member since:
2005-07-11

Actually, henderson101 was almost right about OpenStep and OPENSTEP, he just had them reversed: OpenStep is the spec and OPENSTEP is what NeXTstep was rebranded as in the next release after the spec was out.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7339524&id=571610449

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by tylerdurden on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 23:10 in reply to "RE[5]: Outdated article"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Actually the previous poster was correct.

NextStep stopped at version 3.3, 4.x and on were rebranded to OpenStep (or OPENSTEP I always got confused with Jobs's OCD capitalization shenanigans during that period).

I actually have the box with the OS somewhere in the basement.

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by bogomipz on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 20:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Outdated article"
bogomipz Member since:
2005-07-11

The other thing of note is that OPENSTEP was a specification that Next created and a bunch of manufacturers supported.


If I'm not mistaken, the bunch was limited to NeXT and Sun - the two companies that collaborated on the specification. Sun did the version running on top of Solaris with some help from NeXT presumably, while NeXT did the one running on NT as well as the full operating system running on 4 different architectures, including Sun boxes. Sun soon lost interest in favour of Java, though ;)

This series is quite interesting, btw;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLHr6Z35t1Q

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by MamiyaOtaru on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 21:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Outdated article"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

"...NextStep was on version 3.3, released in 1995 when Apple bought them.


I don't mean to seem like I'm constantly correcting you, but no, wrong. OpenStep was released prior to the Apple acquisition. In fact, OpenStep 4.2 was the last release IIRC. Apple continued to ship OpenStep for quite a while after they owned Next.
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No need to correct him here, he is saying the same thing you are, just with more mushy grammar. His sentence would read better as "NextStep was on version 3.3, which was released in 1995, when Apple bought them (in 1999)." He's not saying 3.3 was released after Apple bought them, but that it was already released at that point

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