Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Sep 2010 21:15 UTC, submitted by Gregory Plummer
GNU, GPL, Open Source "So what is the state of the Hurd? Is it vaporware, like Duke Nukem Forever? Fortunately not: the code exists, there is still work going on (for instance as part of Google Summer of Code), and there are even some relatively functional Hurd distributions. Let's look first at the code and the current architecture, and then at the Hurd distributions."
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What are you people talking about?????
by ecruz on Wed 22nd Sep 2010 20:31 UTC
ecruz
Member since:
2007-06-16

The article is about the vaporware and the never ending coming out "The Hurd". But you people go on a tangent and now are talking about all other types of OS. Stay focus boys!

By the way, the only reason that there is still work being done (albeit very little) on the Hurd is that crazyman Stallman does not have the guts to kill it. He is too jealous with Linux success and don't have the heart to do it hoping that maybe, somehow, one day they will finish the Hurd and he will try to push it down people's throat as a Linux replacement.

One last thing, if you call Linux, GNU/Linux, you have bought into Stallman craziness too and drank all the cool aid!

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

By the way, the only reason that there is still work being done (albeit very little) on the Hurd is that crazyman Stallman does not have the guts to kill it. He is too jealous with Linux success and don't have the heart to do it hoping that maybe, somehow, one day they will finish the Hurd and he will try to push it down people's throat as a Linux replacement.

I don't think so. You attribute way too much power to Richard Stallman if you think that he has the power to drive so much people on a ever-failing project.

My theory is that Hurd, like some research projects in the OS world, exists because because computer science has its equivalent of theoretical physicists. People who want things to be done right, no matter if a quick-and-dirty hack exists, works well, and is widely used.

If a Hurd kernel existed and was usable on a wide range of machines, it could be a better option than Linux for many use cases. Because it would not be bloated yet, would have a more secure and robust microkernel infrastructure, and would be an easier codebase to work on. That's because of this "if" that many people still work on the Hurd project, and that's also because of this everything-should-be-done-right attitude and attempts at code reuse from various project that it didn't shipped a working kernel yet.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

If a Hurd kernel existed and was usable on a wide range of machines, it could be a better option than Linux for many use cases. Because it would not be bloated yet, would have a more secure and robust microkernel infrastructure, and would be an easier codebase to work on.


You could say the same thing about DragonFlyBSD and it is progressing at a much faster rate.

I agree with the parent that HURD exists for non-technical reasons. Declaring HURD a dead end would be too painful for Stallman. He is extremely jealous of the success of Linux as can be seen by how he yelled at a kid over not calling it GNU/Linux. The guy is a kook and there are better and more interesting alternative Nix kernels in development.

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gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

I shouldn't feed the troll but I will say the facts anyway.

Stallman can't kill Hurd, it is a free software project and it has life of its own. FSF has long ago stoped hiring hackers to work on Hurd, it is entirely hobbist project now. Last FSF-paid Hurd hacker was Roland McGrath who moved to work for Red Hat in 2002 (he works on glibc now).So, Stallman have done his part on killing Hurd by not spending FSF money on it! Are you more happy with Stallman now? Do you still think he is crazy?

Why am I even asking, you delusional RMS-haters wouldn't rest until see the guy dead. And then you would attack him because he died.

And one last thing: I will call the thing GNU/Linux just because I don't want buy into crazy RMS-haters' craziness. You have bought into someone else's craziness which is way more dangerous than RMS's.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

And one last thing: I will call the thing GNU/Linux just because I don't want buy into crazy RMS-haters' craziness. You have bought into someone else's craziness which is way more dangerous than RMS's.


And what is crazier than yelling at people who do not call it GNU/Linux, comparing proprietary developers to violent criminals, refusing to surf the web with images and eating your own toejam in front of a group of students?

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Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

So, is Stallman too jealous on Linus Torvalds, heh?

Stallman started the open source Unix operating system. It was done until 90%, and then a teenager with freckles came in and did the last 10% and got all the credit for all the many years of hard work from the GNU guys.

Who would not be slightly irritated? Every non computer guy thinks today Linus T wrote the entire Linux from scratch! I even met some computer guys thinking that too "Linus is super, who is this Stallman, why is he shouting? What has he to do with Linux? Ask Stallman to shut up".

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

I get very irritated when I see kids nowadays trashing Stallman because he actually has the temerity of believing in something. You may agree with him or not, but GNU is his baby and he has a track record to back up his stances. I may disagree with him, but my respect he has earned. Some people nowadays seem to consider anyone who actually stands for something as being a threat to their entitlement to apathy.


Most of these kids do not comprehend that all those GNU tools they take for granted, used to be not only very expensive... but rather exclusive tools. I remember how back in the late 90s eve, SGI for example would charge a pretty penny not just for the compilers for Irix, but just the libraries themselves, on top of the hefty licensing costs for the OS and the HW.

It is easy to trash the farmer once the salad has made it to one's table and is ready to be eaten.

Edited 2010-09-25 05:24 UTC

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