Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Sep 2010 21:36 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Internet & Networking Now this is a subject sure to cause some discussion among all of you. LifeHacker's Adam Pash is arguing that Chrome has overtaken Firefox as the browser of choice for what he calls 'power users'; polls among LifeHacker's readership indeed seem to confirm just that. He also gives a number of reasons as to why this is the case.
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molnarcs
Member since:
2005-09-10

One thing to note though is that the Firefox guys consistently show benchmarks of their latest code against stable, released versions of other browsers. If you filter out the drumroll what's left is a claim that says the browser we are going to realease will be as fast as the browser you have released months ago.

As of now, Chrome runs circles around Firefox in various performance benchmarks. Try peacekeeper, for instance: google "peacekeeper browser benchmark" - FF on my system gets 36xx score while Chrome gets 9001! We have this

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

One thing to note though is that the Firefox guys consistently show benchmarks of their latest code against stable, released versions of other browsers. If you filter out the drumroll what's left is a claim that says the browser we are going to realease will be as fast as the browser you have released months ago.


Everyone else does this also.

http://www.vikitech.com/1334/ie9-is-poised-to-be-fastest-browser-am...

(IE9 platform preview #4 is compared to Firefox 3.6.4 and 3.6.8).

Despite what the headline claimed, IE9 is definitely NOT "Poised To Be Fastest Browser Among Firefox 4, Chrome 5 & Safari 5". They didn't even look at Firefox 4.

Your point?

Edited 2010-09-24 06:16 UTC

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Everyone else does this also.

http://www.vikitech.com/1334/ie9-is-poised-to-be-fastest-browser-am...

(IE9 platform preview #4 is compared to Firefox 3.6.4 and 3.6.8).

Despite what the headline claimed, IE9 is definitely NOT "Poised To Be Fastest Browser Among Firefox 4, Chrome 5 & Safari 5". They didn't even look at Firefox 4.
Your point?

My point is quite simple: if they feel confident about their browser's performance gains, why don't they publish benchmarks comparing code from specific days (dev version of the respective browsers on 31/8, 7/9, 15/9, etc.) The second (related) point is that they could just run it on an independent benchmark like peacekeeper and see how it stacks up to their results... The argument that "everyone does this" (ie. publish benchmarks that measure a single aspect of the browser, the one that compares favourably with others) doesn't make this practice prone to criticism you know...

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

One thing to note though is that the Firefox guys consistently show benchmarks of their latest code against stable, released versions of other browsers. If you filter out the drumroll what's left is a claim that says the browser we are going to realease will be as fast as the browser you have released months ago.

Wrong. Hover the graphs. They use latest builds of safari and chrome (or nitro and V8 if you want).

As of now, Chrome runs circles around Firefox in various performance benchmarks. Try peacekeeper, for instance: google "peacekeeper browser benchmark" - FF on my system gets 36xx score while Chrome gets 9001! We have this

We all know that FF is currently a bit slow. The question is, will FF4 be back among the others ? It seems that it might be the case. And the worst is that in the end, it does not matter : as a user, what's most important is not page rendering speed, it's UI responsiveness, and no benchmark currently measures this. E.g : IE7&IE8 take several seconds to open a tab when under load, FF3.5 was about as bad, though a bit faster (don't remember about 3.6), and on all other browsers the process is instant.

Edited 2010-09-24 06:23 UTC

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

"One thing to note though is that the Firefox guys consistently show benchmarks of their latest code against stable, released versions of other browsers. If you filter out the drumroll what's left is a claim that says the browser we are going to realease will be as fast as the browser you have released months ago.

Wrong. Hover the graphs. They use latest builds of safari and chrome (or nitro and V8 if you want).

As of now, Chrome runs circles around Firefox in various performance benchmarks. Try peacekeeper, for instance: google "peacekeeper browser benchmark" - FF on my system gets 36xx score while Chrome gets 9001! We have this

We all know that FF is currently a bit slow. The question is, will FF4 be back among the others ? It seems that it might be the case. And the worst is that in the end, it does not matter : as a user, what's most important is not page rendering speed, it's UI responsiveness, and no benchmark currently measures this. E.g : IE7&IE8 take several seconds to open a tab when under load, FF3.5 was about as bad, though a bit faster (don't remember about 3.6), and on all other browsers the process is instant.
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A lot of effort has gone into making startup and shutdown faster. Also extension updates have been optimized. The main advantage of Chrome is the multiprocess stuff that really takes advantage of multiple cores and makes sure that the GUI never slows down. I hope Firefox 4.1 will introduce multiprocess.

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Link please - the initial press release featured static benchmarks. I don't know which benchmark page you are referring to. I googled kraken benchmark, found this on tested.com:
http://www.tested.com/news/which-web-browser-can-best-mozillas-new-...

As I expected, even Chrome 6.xxx seems to beat FF 4 in speed.

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Erunno Member since:
2007-06-22

One thing to note though is that the Firefox guys consistently show benchmarks of their latest code against stable, released versions of other browsers.


Bollocks. At least on arewefastyet.com they use the latest revisions for JSC/Nitro, V8 and SpiderMonkey.

As of now, Chrome runs circles around Firefox in various performance benchmarks. Try peacekeeper, for instance: google "peacekeeper browser benchmark" - FF on my system gets 36xx score while Chrome gets 9001! We have this


Ah, PeaceKeeper. Reminds me that a Mozilla developer recently discovered some badly engineered parts in the test suite: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/bz/archives/020664.html

I really wish that the Apple, Google, Opera, Microsoft and Mozilla would come together and develop a common JS performance benchmark suite. My hope is that such a suite would be less biased to showcase the strengths of one particular engine alone as all stakeholders could contribute tests and fix suboptimal tests.

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