Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Sep 2010 21:36 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Internet & Networking Now this is a subject sure to cause some discussion among all of you. LifeHacker's Adam Pash is arguing that Chrome has overtaken Firefox as the browser of choice for what he calls 'power users'; polls among LifeHacker's readership indeed seem to confirm just that. He also gives a number of reasons as to why this is the case.
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lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

As I wrote elsewhere, the problem is that the V8 benchmark is designed for Chrome. Google basically cheated, and it doesn't measure stuff that takes a long time in their own browser. So it's not really a fair benchmark.


We can assume the same of all the benchmarks. For example, AFAIK FF 4 with Jaegermonkey + Tracemonkey is already the fastest browser running Mozilla's own Kraken benchmark.

http://www.tested.com/news/which-web-browser-can-best-mozillas-new-...

(Note that AFAIK FF 4.0b6 does not yet include Jaegermonkey, it has Tracemonkey only).

Even though Mozilla claim to have designed Kraken to measure performance against real-world tasks, people will simply assume that the Kraken benchmark is designed to favour Firefox in the same way that v8bench is designed to favour Chrome.

Hence the aim of Firefox should be to beat the others at their own benchmarks. This in turn is no doubt why the arewefastyet.com site includes results for sunspider and v8bench, but not Kraken.

That way there should be no arguments about the measurements.

Edited 2010-09-25 13:50 UTC

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

Yes, Mozilla seems to be equally dishonest with Kraken. That still doesn't mean that the V8 benchmark is any better.

Peacekeeper is the only independent benchmark. Claims about Kraken from Mozilla, and the V8 bench from Google, must be taken with a grain of salt because they are clearly being dishonest about it.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Yes, Mozilla seems to be equally dishonest with Kraken. That still doesn't mean that the V8 benchmark is any better.

Peacekeeper is the only independent benchmark. Claims about Kraken from Mozilla, and the V8 bench from Google, must be taken with a grain of salt because they are clearly being dishonest about it.


Oh, come on!

Mozilla, and Mozilla alone, are measuring their performance against the benchmarks put out by the other browsers.

http://arewefastyet.com/
http://arewefastyet.com/faq.html
What's this site?

This site tracks the performance of popular JavaScript engines.

Who's behind it? Is Mozilla?

This site is maintained by Mozilla's JavaScript team.

What are the graphs?

The left-hand graph is Apple's SunSpider benchmark. The right-hand graph is Google's V8 benchmark suite.


What is there that is even the teeniest tiniest bit dishonest about that? It simply doesn't matter how unfair Google's v8bench is, and how much it favours Google's V8 engine, if Moziila developers are using it to rate Firefox's performance against Chrome.

Sheesh!
In that context, Mozilla developers using v8bench and sunspider to measure Firefox is the precise, exact opposite of unfair and dishonest.

Get real. Try some other kind of FUD, because that one utterly and completely missed the target.

Edited 2010-09-26 09:17 UTC

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