Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Sep 2010 21:36 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Internet & Networking Now this is a subject sure to cause some discussion among all of you. LifeHacker's Adam Pash is arguing that Chrome has overtaken Firefox as the browser of choice for what he calls 'power users'; polls among LifeHacker's readership indeed seem to confirm just that. He also gives a number of reasons as to why this is the case.
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The dishonesty here is making Kraken, and tying it to Firefox's JS implementation (like Google tied the V8 benchmark to V8).

So yes, both Google and Mozilla are being extremely dishonest.

That's crazy. You are making no sense at all.

How exactly are Mozilla being dishonest? Can't you read, or something? Mozilla are publishing direct comparison of their javascript engine to v8 and apple nitro, using the preferred benchmarks of Apple (sunspider) and Google (v8bench).

How is it dishonest?

BTW ... why can't Mozilla have a benchmark of their own, since Apple and Google both do? Mozilla say their Kraken benchmark is representative of typical work browsers must do ... but they don't ask you to believe them because they also show you their results against sunspider and v8bench.

How is that dishonest?

Think about it for a second. They publish information that they claim is typical usage, but they don't insist that this proves anything, and they also show their results against the opposition's benchmarks, and clearly state that they aren't as fast against those benchmarks.

Where exactly is the dishonesty?

Put up or shut up.

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Mozilla are being dishonest by creating a new benchmark, Kraken, which is specifically tweaked to be fast in their new JS engine.

All the benchmarks claim to reflect the real world. There's nothing special about that.

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lemur2 Member since:

Mozilla are being dishonest by creating a new benchmark, Kraken, which is specifically tweaked to be fast in their new JS engine.

Sheesh! Give it up already.

You see, about Kraken, it is not actually tweaked to favour Firefox, it is specifically made to include the kind of scripts that would typically be run by browsers. But you may not believe that, even though it is true ... so Mozilla developers don't push any claim using it.

Show me a website where the Mozilla developers publish results from running Kraken, and conclude that Firefox is faster. There is your challenge ... you won't be able to meet it. There is no such site and no such claim coming from Mozilla.

The website of the Mozilla developers explicitly runs Apple's sunspider benchmark, and Google's v8bench benchmark. They explicitly state that Firefox javascript development version is not yet as fast as Safari's or Chrome's latest devlopment javascript engines.

So ... in comparison, apples for apples, holding Chrome and Safari to the same standard: where are the sites in which Safari's developers or Chrome's developers run the Kraken benchmark and conclude that the new Firefox javascript engine has passed them by?

Answer me that, sunshine.

Edited 2010-09-26 23:03 UTC

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