Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Sep 2010 21:36 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Internet & Networking Now this is a subject sure to cause some discussion among all of you. LifeHacker's Adam Pash is arguing that Chrome has overtaken Firefox as the browser of choice for what he calls 'power users'; polls among LifeHacker's readership indeed seem to confirm just that. He also gives a number of reasons as to why this is the case.
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lemur2
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2007-02-17

Mozilla are being dishonest by creating a new benchmark, Kraken, which is specifically tweaked to be fast in their new JS engine.


Sheesh! Give it up already.

You see, about Kraken, it is not actually tweaked to favour Firefox, it is specifically made to include the kind of scripts that would typically be run by browsers. But you may not believe that, even though it is true ... so Mozilla developers don't push any claim using it.

Show me a website where the Mozilla developers publish results from running Kraken, and conclude that Firefox is faster. There is your challenge ... you won't be able to meet it. There is no such site and no such claim coming from Mozilla.

The arewefastyet.com website of the Mozilla developers explicitly runs Apple's sunspider benchmark, and Google's v8bench benchmark. They explicitly state that Firefox javascript development version is not yet as fast as Safari's or Chrome's latest devlopment javascript engines.

So ... in comparison, apples for apples, holding Chrome and Safari to the same standard: where are the sites in which Safari's developers or Chrome's developers run the Kraken benchmark and conclude that the new Firefox javascript engine has passed them by?

Answer me that, sunshine.

Edited 2010-09-26 23:03 UTC

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

You see, about Kraken, it is not actually tweaked to favour Firefox, it is specifically made to include the kind of scripts that would typically be run by browsers.

Claims Mozilla. And it just "happens" to be tweaked specifically for Firefox 4. Fail.

Show me a website where the Mozilla developers publish results from running Kraken, and conclude that Firefox is faster.

Huh? They officially announced it, and bragged about how amazingly "real" it is compared to everything else.

The arewefastyet.com website of the Mozilla developers explicitly runs Apple's sunspider benchmark, and Google's v8bench benchmark. They explicitly state that Firefox javascript development version is not yet as fast as Safari's or Chrome's latest devlopment javascript engines.

But then their marketing figured that, hey, we can make our own, and be faster even though we aren't! Firefox is still slower at Sunspider, rememember. So when they realized they were too slow, they simply made their own where Firefox is fast.

Dishonesty.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

But then their marketing figured that, hey, we can make our own, and be faster even though we aren't! Firefox is still slower at Sunspider, rememember. So when they realized they were too slow, they simply made their own where Firefox is fast.

Dishonesty.

Indeed, making a benchmark that shows that your web browser is the fastest even when it's not is dishonest. Apple (Sunspider), Google (V8 bench), Mozilla (Kraken), and Microsoft should all be ashamed.

However, what lemur2 has beed trying to tell you in the last few comments is that some manufacturers are less dishonest than others.

Google is, first, because they explicitly called their benchmark "V8bench". So you know what it's about. Internal regression testing and external marketting.

And mozilla is even less dishonest in that they test their browser using other manufacturer's test suites, where their browser is obviously not at its advantage.

That's the point.

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