Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Oct 2010 21:08 UTC
General Development Anyone who did not see this one coming after Microsoft's patent deal with HTC and Apple's meticulousness in avoiding Windows Mobile in its suit against HTC hasn't been paying attention. Microsoft has filed a patent complaint with the US International Trade Commission, as well as a patent lawsuit in the US District Court for the Western District of Washington against Motorola over its Android-based devices.
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RE[7]: makes perfect sense
by Fettarme H-Milch on Tue 5th Oct 2010 15:49 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: makes perfect sense"
Fettarme H-Milch
Member since:
2010-02-16

You obviously misunderstood what I meant. When I said "incompatible with patents", I meant incompatible with paying royalties.

That is also not true. Software patents hurt FOSS but they are not incompatible with it. See LAME, the FOSS MP3 encoder, it's under LGPL but thrives despite patents.
Patents are a problem of the jurisdiction, not FOSS itself.

Show me where Google is supporting patents?

English is not my mother language but if I understand http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/press_release08_06_07.php correct, Google licensed patents from OIN (=licensee) but does not grand its own patents to OIN (=licensor).

Btw: Novell is a licensor to OIN.

An even better proof would be to publicly create lots of prior art without patenting anything. You can't countersue patent trolls anyway because they don't make any products.

You are wrong, lots of people are avoiding everything Novell. You could chose (completely arbitrary) that everyone doing so is irrelevant in your opinion, but I could say that your opinion is irrelevant too. And that is not topic here.

Once again your comments make no sense. Novell only markets its Linux offerings directly towards enterprises and that branch is growing.
Random readers if the "Boycott Novell, cheer for Red Hat" propaganda hate blog are not enterprise officials.

(openSUSE is sponsored by Novell but not marketed by Novell. The commercial distributor of openSUSE is called open-SLX and is an independent company.)

What should be avoided in order to prevet introducing Microsoft MONOculture in Linux, is Mono. And Microsoft also could sue users of Mono when they decide that migration away from Mono is to hard. So double trap.

Mono isn't even part of the default openSUSE install (don't know about SLES or SLED but considering that Novell sells a separate Mono kit, I guess it's true there as well). It is part of Ubuntu's default, hence Ubuntu does more to promote Mono than Novell.

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RE[8]: makes perfect sense
by gnufreex on Tue 5th Oct 2010 18:31 in reply to "RE[7]: makes perfect sense"
gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

You are not reading again, or you are trying to spin. I said incompatible with "paying royalties". If you pay patent royalty, it is not free software anymore. LAME is only free software in countries where patent don't work. In other places, it is a liability. That is why it doesn't ship with most linux distros. Mono is in similar position, but some distros decided to ship it due to great amounts of astroturfing and shilling done by Team Apologista.


About OIN, you are wrong. That is not support for software patents. OIN is a defensive patent pool which is designed to protect Linux. Red Hat, IBM, and few other companies have thrown patents in it so they could be used for counter-suit, if someone sues OIN members over use of Linux. That is not prof that Google is supporting patents, it is a way people are trying to protect themselves from the patent craze. I don't know what are you trying to prove with that.

Novell only markets its Linux offerings directly towards enterprises and that branch is growing.

Microsoft takes a cut of every SUSE support contract and that is reason to boycott it. SUSE was growing while Micorosft was selling coupons, now it is stagnating. As for "CIOs don't care for MS deal", maybe some don't, but they care about quality. Since most devs and volunteers are steering clear of Novell, SUSE quality took a nosedive since MS deal. Nobody is reporting bugs, nobody is testing pre-releases, it is all up to Novell staff which is shrinking after multiple rounds of layoffs.

Mono isn't even part of the default openSUSE install


As I already said, (but you apparently just waived it away without reading) Mono should be boycotted because all the different reasons than SUSE or OpenSUSE. Read again, you might understand better.

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Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

You are not reading again, or you are trying to spin. I said incompatible with "paying royalties".

I'm reading all the time and very well. You are the one who can't differentiate between Free Speech and Free Beer.

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RE[8]: makes perfect sense
by lemur2 on Wed 6th Oct 2010 01:04 in reply to "RE[7]: makes perfect sense"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

[qhttp://www.openinventionnetwork.com/press_release08_06_07.php Google licensed patents from OIN (=licensee) [/q]

That is interesting. Since it is a licensee, AFAIK that means Google can now use OIN patents as countersuit claims.

Hmmmm.

http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_owned.php

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