Linked by addoula on Tue 5th Oct 2010 22:02 UTC
Opera Software Since the launch of Opera 10.5 in March 2010, I've been using it as my primary browser, whether at work or at home. Using Ubuntu at work, and a Windows netbook at home, I wanted a fast browser for my netbook and a coherent browsing experience on both operating systems. And this is where Opera 10.5 (and newer) fits perfectly.
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RE: WTF?
by addoula on Tue 5th Oct 2010 22:31 UTC in reply to "WTF?"
addoula
Member since:
2005-10-23

Hi,

"The new back and forward buttons doesn’t offer the list of visited websites."
WTF? You must be using a different Opera than me. I've used it since 6.0something and it certainly doesn't lack the list. Just press and hold back button or forward button and the list will appear.

This isn't the same feature. Pressing and holding may be acceptable if using a mouse, but not if using a trackpad.


"Log In button in the toolbar"
Hmm, I don't even know what you're talking about, but I customize my toolbar to bare minimum, so I probably removed it. Did you know you can customize the toolbar?

By default, the Log in button (for the password manager) is present.
The question is not cutomizing the toolbar but what buttons should be present by default.


"when installing Opera on five different machines and operating systems"
I agree with this point. Anyway, just copy the config files. "Hello synchronizations?!" Yes, they should extend Opera Link.

Yep. I think if opera extends its Link service, it may become a killer feature.
Imagine installing Opera and with a click having everything configured! ;)

"CTRL + URL to open a new tab in the background".
What do you mean? I don't understand what is Ctrl + URL. To open a link on a new background tab, just middle-click the link.

The point is being able to open a new link in the background by clicking on that link and holding the CTRL key.
Sure middle mouse is the optimal solution, but that is nearly impossible if using a trackpad on a netbook.

"The excuse of legacy users is void."
What are you talking about here? I didn't understand this whole paragraph.

I mean, one excuse for not changing the shortcuts is that historic users uses them, and apparently Opera wants to respect that.
Although this is a move that shows that Opera respects its users, it is not very effective to gaining new users and more market share.

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RE[2]: WTF?
by aargh on Tue 5th Oct 2010 23:03 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
aargh Member since:
2009-10-12

About your trackpad concerns - did you know that you can use Opera completely just from the keyboard? (The opposite is also largely true if you have a real mouse, except for entering text, apparently). I would know since on a computer many years ago, my non-optical mouse used to break sometimes (bad cable) and I learned to use only keyboard without any issues. I still sometimes find it faster, especially when I have to use a laptop, since I hate trackpads.

"changing the shortcuts"
Ahh, you struck my biggest PITA I have with Opera. So many times they introduced a great shortcut just to change it a few months later... But I have to admit mostly they're doing the change so that they use the same shortcuts as other browsers (from the top of my head alt-d, ctrl-b), which is a good thing. So I gave up and instead of customizing my keaybord shortcuts more and more I just learn the new ones.

Edited 2010-10-05 23:04 UTC

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RE[3]: WTF?
by vodoomoth on Wed 6th Oct 2010 08:24 in reply to "RE[2]: WTF?"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30


"changing the shortcuts"
Ahh, you struck my biggest PITA I have with Opera. So many times they introduced a great shortcut just to change it a few months later... But I have to admit mostly they're doing the change so that they use the same shortcuts as other browsers (from the top of my head alt-d, ctrl-b), which is a good thing. So I gave up and instead of customizing my keaybord shortcuts more and more I just learn the new ones.

The weird thing is that I have written (and yes, ranted) about Opera adopting Firefox's shortcuts: ctrl+u for viewing the source of a page, ctrl+j for downloads (not sure about this) and others that I immediately reverted to what I had been using for eight years.

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RE[3]: WTF?
by PresentIt on Wed 6th Oct 2010 18:55 in reply to "RE[2]: WTF?"
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

So many times they introduced a great shortcut just to change it a few months later...

Such as?

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RE[2]: WTF?
by deathshadow on Wed 6th Oct 2010 05:26 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

I don't know about you, but my trackpads all have BUTTONS next to them.

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RE[3]: WTF?
by vodoomoth on Wed 6th Oct 2010 08:22 in reply to "RE[2]: WTF?"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

yes, but most trackpads don't have a middle button. I for one have never seen any with my own eyes, whether in real life or in photographs.
Some don't support two-finger pressing the trackpad so that this action can be assigned to the middle click.

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RE[2]: WTF?
by PresentIt on Wed 6th Oct 2010 18:54 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

The point is being able to open a new link in the background by clicking on that link and holding the CTRL key.

Just hold Ctrl+Shift.

I mean, one excuse for not changing the shortcuts is that historic users uses them, and apparently Opera wants to respect that.

Really? Where did you hear that "excuse"? How come they have radically changed the shortcuts in Opera in the last few versions in order to be more aligned with other browsers, if what you are saying is true?

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RE[2]: WTF?
by vodoomoth on Thu 7th Oct 2010 14:48 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

Hi,

""The new back and forward buttons doesn’t offer the list of visited websites."
WTF? You must be using a different Opera than me. I've used it since 6.0something and it certainly doesn't lack the list. Just press and hold back button or forward button and the list will appear.

This isn't the same feature. Pressing and holding may be acceptable if using a mouse, but not if using a trackpad.
"
I guess your trackpad has buttons. Holding a button shouldn't be that hard. But if you really don't want to "click and hold", the Back and Forward buttons are available in a different flavor that features the arrows you are talking about. Right click on the icon bar, Customize > Appearance > Buttons tab > "Browser" category. You know the rest.

But yes, you're right. I also think the default buttons should have had the arrows.

However, I didn't understand your relating the arrow to the closed tabs bin. The concepts attached to each seem different to me: the page history vs the history of closed tabs. You can't select a specific previous page you had visited from the closed tabs bin.

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RE[2]: WTF?
by toyotabedzrock on Sat 9th Oct 2010 15:44 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
toyotabedzrock Member since:
2010-05-25

You can replace the back and forward buttons, they still exsist with the small arrow.

Right click the tool bar, goto customize, appearance.
Goto the Buttons tab and select browser on the left.
You will see the button there. The button will be shown with text, but that text will not appear unless you have the tool bar set to display text and images.
You can drag the button to where ever you want.

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