Linked by David Adams on Wed 6th Oct 2010 16:51 UTC
Apple Let me tell you, when what you teach and develop every day has the title "Innovation" attached to it, you reach a point where you tire of hearing about Apple. Without question, nearly everyone believes the equation Apple = Innovation is a fundamental truth--akin to the second law of thermodynamics, Boyle's Law, or Moore's Law. But ask these same people if they understand exactly how Apple comes up with their ideas and what approach the company uses to develop blockbuster products--whether it is a fluky phenomenon or based on a repeatable set of governing principles--and you mostly get a dumbfounded stare. This response is what frustrates me most, because people worship what they don't understand.
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WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by deathshadow on Thu 7th Oct 2010 10:04 UTC
deathshadow
Member since:
2005-07-12

Well, I see the RDF is in full swing again. It's funny - people talk about Apple using words like "innovation", "design" or "quality" -- and I honest to god wonder what the hell is in the kool-aid.

In terms of innovation I can't think of one thing they actually came up with. Licensed the GUI from Xerox then claimed it was their own -- lagged five years behind the PC on graphics while claiming to be superior on that front, claim to be this great audio platform when the ONLY way to do it pro quality is using external boxes from other manufacturers (which are drying up faster than a tear in the desert), make all sorts of claims about other companies technologies they claim to help innovate (I'm sure Phillips and Mitsumi might have something to say on the whole computer optical drive thing)... tablets have been tried and failed a dozen times over with NOTHING in their new tablet being the least bit innovative (or even worthy of the patents issued due to prior art). Slapping nextstep atop BSD isn't exactly innovation... I think the only innovative thing was using their gorrilla style leverage to bring the recording industry to the table for iTunes.

In terms of design, I'm not exactly having my skirt blown up with products that have all the artistic appeal of a recently sanitized hospital ward.

In terms of quality, their history of half-assed designs that take a degree in rocket science for even the most mundane of repairs -- proprietary componants manufactured as cheaply as possible under the hood -- Everything they make is like fiberboard with a birch veneer over it. Of course the toxic fumes off the Mac Pro's, piss poor/outright lack of ventilation, underclocking chips so they could stuff them in with ZERO cooling in designs like the G3 iMacs, switching pins on standard interfaces like IDE just so you HAD to use their drives (or solder the two pins together on the plug), selling 262K color displays labelled as 16.7 million, the repeated 'striping' issues with the displays because of cheaping out on the ribbon cable/edge card connections in the displays, cracked hinges on the G4's worse than any Toshiba (that takes talent!), locking the discussions on their forums of anyone daring to point out ANY of these issues... These do not say "quality" in my mind!

Much less model after model of blistering plastic and warping metal from Apple having no clue what the word 'cooling' means. They wouldn't know proper cooling if it stripped naked, painted itself purple and hopped up on a table to sing "Look at what a big cooling fan I am!"

Figure in their absurd markup (hence their absurd margin per sale) and I still have trouble believing ANYONE is DUMB ENOUGH to buy anything Apple makes in the first place - much less believe they have innovation, design or quality.

I swear, they are about as innovative as Thomas Edison. No, that's NOT a compliment. What, you never thought it suspicious that a former patent clerk suddenly had a dozen patents on things it's public knowledge he didn't invent and barely made any changes to? Let's face it, he was the first major industrial patent troll - Just ask Westinghouse.

Edited 2010-10-07 10:06 UTC

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RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by Shkaba on Thu 7th Oct 2010 15:13 in reply to "WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22

If my memory serves me right he (Edison) just stole them (innovations) from Tesla. Apple on the other hands steals from everyone (as indicated by the number of law suits against Apple)

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RE[2]: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by tylerdurden on Fri 8th Oct 2010 23:28 in reply to "RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

No Edison did not steal from Tesla. He (Edison) is documented as being a monumental Jerk. But he was a better businessman than Tesla was, among other things because Tesla had no interests in business. The opposite also is true, Tesla was a better scientist than Edison.

Furthermore, the real "battle" was not between Edison and Tesla, but rather Edison and Westinghouse.

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RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by lezerno on Thu 7th Oct 2010 20:34 in reply to "WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
lezerno Member since:
2009-09-02

Edison was a patent clerk?
So was Einstein.

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RE[2]: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by Neolander on Thu 7th Oct 2010 21:31 in reply to "RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Edison was a patent clerk?
So was Einstein.

Yeah, but someone who is known for quotes such as "There are two things I know that are infinite..." and "Do you really think the moon doesn't exist unless you look at it" can't be fundamentally bad on the inside ;)

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RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by z. vukman on Sat 9th Oct 2010 02:19 in reply to "WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
z. vukman Member since:
2008-10-26

Just ask Tesla ;) .

Apple is nothing but a design and marketing factory. They are a good selling BRAND. And they are a good selling brand because they overprice their products.

I'm going to tell you a story and you will see how it works. Many years ago I had a friend who was an excellent painter. But he had a problem. He underestimated his talent and the value of his paintings. He was unknown and poor. One day he came to me and asked me if I could help him with selling his artwork. He offered me 50 %. I refused the deal but I accepted to help him.
I booked an art-gallery and arranged the exhibition. I put the prices on the paintings and the minimum price was 500.000 $. I gave an anonymous tip to some journalists that an unknown lunatic is going to have an exhibition and that he thinks his paintings are min. 500.000 $ worth. When the opening day came everybody was there - TV, newspapers, painters, people with a lot of money, all kind of snobs etc. There was a 200 meter queue. Everybody wanted to see paintings 500.000 - 3.000.000 $ worth. He got famous over the night. And why? Because of his paintings? Nope. Because of the pricing.

The same with Apple. There are many snobs out there.

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RE[2]: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by deathshadow on Sat 9th Oct 2010 06:51 in reply to "RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

The snob factor has a lot to do with it -- it's why like four or five years ago over on the parallels forums I made the joke of Apple being the Ikea of the computing world. Alleged quality that doesn't exist with artsy fartsy followers who don't put any thought into the fact they're spending three times as much for lower quality furniture than you could get at the purple building.

Which is when one of the users there (brettW) explained Ikea thus:

"IKEA is a fully immersive, 3D environmental adventure that allows you to role-play the character of someone who gives a **** about home furnishings. In traversing IKEA, you will experience a meticulously detailed alternate reality filled with garish colors, clear-lacquered birch veneer, and a host of NON-PLAYER CHARACTERS (NPCs) with the glazed looks of the recently anesthetized."

Remove the garish colors and go with bland boring hospital ward white, and you've got an Apple store.

It's bad when one longs for a return to the ugly beige just for variety. At least the G3's were colorful - even if it did give them the "Fisher Price my first computer" reputation.

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RE[2]: WHAT INNOVATION?!?
by mkone on Mon 11th Oct 2010 02:30 in reply to "RE: WHAT INNOVATION?!?"
mkone Member since:
2006-03-14

Just ask Tesla ;) .

Apple is nothing but a design and marketing factory. They are a good selling BRAND. And they are a good selling brand because they overprice their products.


This is the reason many geeks fail to make their products successful. Design is the most important thing when it comes to creating products for consumers. Take a look at touch interfaces. When Apple created the original iPhone, they had a product that did not have as much functionality as other smartphones at the time. However, the little it did, it did in ways that were 10 times easier and better, and a lot of the interface language has since been copied by other phone manufacturers, and not always successfully. And that is innovation! You don't have to create everything anew, just put it together better, and make it work better. Apple obsesses over the details, and makes sure that their product does what they want it to do very well.

And people do not want crap looking phones either. It's an important feature for most gagdets.

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