Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Oct 2010 14:55 UTC
Legal Speaking of patent lawsuits - somebody pointed out to me that both Oracle and Google are members of the Open Invention Network. This struck me as odd - doesn't the OIN license require you to promise not to assert your patents against Linux systems? And, uhm, isn't that kind of what Oracle is doing right now? Well, yes, they might be suing a Linux System - but they're not suing a Linux System as defined by the OIN.
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MeeGo = "Linux System"
by Fettarme H-Milch on Thu 7th Oct 2010 16:17 UTC
Fettarme H-Milch
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2010-02-16

Google designed Android deliberately to be incompatible with anything existing out there -- including common Linux distributions.
For this reason, Android is not covered by OIN. But MeeGo is based on technologies found in common Linux distributions, meaning it's covered by OIN.

Somehow it seems that without actively pursuing this, the participants in current events around Android make MeeGo more and more compelling on handset devices.

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RE: MeeGo = "Linux System"
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 7th Oct 2010 16:30 in reply to "MeeGo = "Linux System""
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2005-06-29

Nonsense. OIN is focussed on "traditional" Linux - servers, desktops. On phones, a whole can of new patents comes into play due to the use of technologies that simply don't play a role in desktops and servers.

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RE[2]: MeeGo = "Linux System"
by JoeBuck on Thu 7th Oct 2010 16:35 in reply to "RE: MeeGo = "Linux System""
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2006-01-11

Not exactly: OIN lists a set of software packages, and the patent guarantees apply to those packages, whether they are used in a phone or a server or a desktop. But Java isn't included.

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Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

Nonsense. OIN is focussed on "traditional" Linux - servers, desktops.


Doesn't matter. MeeGo uses those software packages. OIN affiliates can't sue each other over those.
Eg. Oracle sued Google over Java. If Google used Python, for example, Oracle would be breaching a contract with OIN and could be countersued for that.

On phones, a whole can of new patents comes into play due to the use of technologies that simply don't play a role in desktops and servers.

Doesn't matter. If those phone-specific technologies are implemented by extending the packages currently covered by OIN (eg. establishing a UMTS connection via NetworkManager or whatever is patented these days), OIN members are relatively save.
Yes, OIN does not cover all patents but at least gives its adopters more safety. Additionally Intel and Nokia said they help defend all MeeGo adopters who get sued by someone else and since Nokia is a major mobile player and grants royalty-free patent licenses via (L)GPL and Apache licenses, that gives additional safety for adopters.

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RE[2]: MeeGo = "Linux System"
by oiaohm on Fri 8th Oct 2010 10:23 in reply to "RE: MeeGo = "Linux System""
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2009-05-30

Nonsense. OIN is focussed on "traditional" Linux - servers, desktops. On phones, a whole can of new patents comes into play due to the use of technologies that simply don't play a role in desktops and servers.


Really I am sorry. Tell that to nokia. One of nokia phones at one point run standard off the repo debian.

There is no need for a divide between phones and desktop. MeeGo is not more research along this path. Power management developments from Meego and its past forms are appearing in all distributions.

There are areas that OIN does not cover. But like Java existing rules were already in place that should be followed unless you want doom.

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RE: MeeGo = "Linux System"
by tony on Sat 9th Oct 2010 03:28 in reply to "MeeGo = "Linux System""
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

Google designed Android deliberately to be incompatible with anything existing out there -- including common Linux distributions.
For this reason, Android is not covered by OIN. But MeeGo is based on technologies found in common Linux distributions, meaning it's covered by OIN.

Somehow it seems that without actively pursuing this, the participants in current events around Android make MeeGo more and more compelling on handset devices.


That's a Nokia talking point. It's both a false and meaningless claim. Of course it's Linux. It uses the Linux kernel, GNU userland, and it uses Java technology on top of it. Java isn't Linux, but neither is QT.

MeeGo is doing the same approach. Linux is meant to be customized to whatever you'd like, from megarouters to phones to servers to desktops.

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RE[2]: MeeGo = "Linux System"
by anevilyak on Sat 9th Oct 2010 23:56 in reply to "RE: MeeGo = "Linux System""
anevilyak Member since:
2005-09-14

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That's a Nokia talking point. It's both a false and meaningless claim. Of course it's Linux. It uses the Linux kernel, GNU userland, and it uses Java technology on top of it. Java isn't Linux, but neither is QT.


That's not entirely correct, it does use the Linux kernel, but that's it. It does not use the usual GNU userland, it has its own which pretty much is the bare minimum needed to bootstrap Dalvik and let the APIs interface with the kernel.

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