Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 10th Oct 2010 14:17 UTC, submitted by Extend
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Yes, yes, it's that time of the year again - a new Fiona Apple album confirmed (which makes anything that happens between now and spring 2011 irrelevant and annoying), MorphOS 2.6 released (will be the next news item), and, of course, a new Ubuntu release showcasing the best of the best that the Free software world has to offer in the desktop world.
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RE[2]: Solid release
by nt_jerkface on Sun 10th Oct 2010 22:51 UTC in reply to "RE: Solid release"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

I really don't get the infatuation with Gnome, KDE 4.5 looks so much better.

I think Shuttleworth is batshit crazy for pushing a purple and orange Gnome desktop. It looks like a cellphone from 2005 with a bad Halloween theme.

This looks like a modern desktop:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewcurrie/4902774513/lightbox/

I said a while back that the tide has turned in favor of KDE and I stand by that claim. Shuttleworth is wasting his time with Gnome.

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RE[3]: Solid release
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 10th Oct 2010 22:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Solid release"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Except that release after release, finger-pointing after finger-pointing, KDE 4 still performs like a dog. First I had to wait for an updated ATI driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the open source driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the next version of the open driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release again. Didn't fix it. And in between, I was instructed to use distribution Abc, Xyz, or Mno. Neither of them fixed it. I even tried multiple computers - old, new, laptop, desktop. Didn't fix it.

Maybe 4.6 will finally actually be usable, but after so many bites, I'm not holding my breath.

Edited 2010-10-10 22:58 UTC

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RE[4]: Solid release
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 10th Oct 2010 23:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

A whole Software Compilation can't perform. Or do you have performance problems with Marble, Kopete, KWrite/Kate, Blogilo, Gwenview, Okular,...?
I certainly don't and I find said applications among the best, if not the best, in their respective cathegories.

Judging by your comment you have problems with KWin which may has bugs itself or triggers bugs in Xorg/Mesa/Catalyst.
If Metacity, Mutter, or Compiz works well for you, the logical conclusion is to use either window manager instead of KWin. Since pretty much all window managers are easily interchangeable, doing so is a no brainer. System Settings even has a control module to select a window manager.

I think your technical knowledge is good enough to be able to distinguish between problems with the window manager itself and a bundle of applications. So please write something along the lines of "KWin doesn't perform well foe me" or one might be inclined to call you troll even though you didn't mean to.

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RE[4]: Solid release
by nt_jerkface on Mon 11th Oct 2010 00:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Well I consider the Linux desktop to be in beta anyways so to me your experience is moot.

Gnome may be ahead in some areas today but I still think that building around it is a mistake.

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RE[4]: Solid release
by phoenix on Mon 11th Oct 2010 01:52 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Except that release after release, finger-pointing after finger-pointing, KDE 4 still performs like a dog.


Define "performs like a dog". ;)

My HTPC is an ancient P4 Celeron laptop with only 512 MB of RAM and an ancient Ati Radeon 7000 graphics chipset. Runs Kubuntu 9.something with Plasma Netbook from KDE SC 4.4. No problems watching Xvid encoded videos over NFS, surfing the web (although 800x600 isn't the greatest resolution for that), or watching youtube videos.

My desktop is a simple P4 with onboard Intel graphics and 2 GB of RAM. Runs FreeBSD with KDE SC 4.5 with desktop effects disabled. No issues running K3B, Kdenlive, Firefox, Flash, H.264-encoded videos, Amarok, etc on top of ZFS. 1680x1050 resolution.

My work desktop is a single-core AMD Sempron w/2 GB of RAM and an nVidia dual-monitor setup (1280x1024 x2) and desktop effects enabled. Generally have multiple versions of Firefox and Chrome open with 5-10 tabs each, multiple Konsole windows open with 5-10 tabs each, KdeSVN, KATE, etc.

And my eeePC 1005HA runs Arch Linux with KDE SC 4.5 without issues, even when watching Xvid-encoded videos over wireless, and when connected to a 27" monitor at 1680x1050 resolution.

Apps start quickly (depends where they're being loaded from). Apps run quickly. Switching apps is snappy. Moving windows is snappy. Things rarely stutter (usually due to overloaded I/O system).

So, unless you are going to quantify what "slow as a dog" really means, your comments aren't really all that useful.

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RE[4]: Solid release
by elsewhere on Mon 11th Oct 2010 06:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Except that release after release, finger-pointing after finger-pointing, KDE 4 still performs like a dog for my particular setup.


FTFY

KDE 4 works perfectly well for me, and I suspect I'm in the silent majority otherwise the project would be pretty much dead by now. But by the same token, I wouldn't declare KDE 4 to be a fait accompli, because I know that many people still have issues that need to be addressed, even if they don't affect me.

Fair is fair, and context is even fairer. ;)

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RE[4]: Solid release
by n.l.o on Mon 11th Oct 2010 09:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
n.l.o Member since:
2009-09-14

Except that release after release, finger-pointing after finger-pointing, KDE 4 still performs like a dog. First I had to wait for an updated ATI driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the open source driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the next version of the open driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release again. Didn't fix it. And in between, I was instructed to use distribution Abc, Xyz, or Mno. Neither of them fixed it. I even tried multiple computers - old, new, laptop, desktop. Didn't fix it.

Maybe 4.6 will finally actually be usable, but after so many bites, I'm not holding my breath.


What specifically "runs like a dog" Thom?

It performs very well for me even in a Parallels VM with no acceleration whatsoever due to the Parallels Tools not supporting xorg 1.9.

Edited 2010-10-11 09:40 UTC

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RE[4]: Solid release
by Laurence on Mon 11th Oct 2010 09:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Except that release after release, finger-pointing after finger-pointing, KDE 4 still performs like a dog. First I had to wait for an updated ATI driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the open source driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the next version of the open driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release again. Didn't fix it. And in between, I was instructed to use distribution Abc, Xyz, or Mno. Neither of them fixed it. I even tried multiple computers - old, new, laptop, desktop. Didn't fix it.

Maybe 4.6 will finally actually be usable, but after so many bites, I'm not holding my breath.

That's weird because KDE4 has worked perfectly for me on every system I've tested it on.

In fact, it's so stable and responsive that I've used it as my primary desktop environment since version 4.2 (IIRC)

It's funny how different people exeriences can differ so much

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RE[4]: Solid release
by segedunum on Mon 11th Oct 2010 12:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

First I had to wait for an updated ATI driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the open source driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the next version of the open driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release again. Didn't fix it.

Fix what, exactly?

I love these kinds of posts. It didn't fix this, or fix that, it performs like a dog.......and you never get to hear what the problem actually is. It reads more like an excuse for some reason......... I got it installed on a Macbook for crying out loud.

Fact is that KDE is the only open source desktop today that comes anywhere close to competing with how the proprietary competition has moved on. Like it or lump it, but these Ubuntu releases won't amount to a hill of beans until they use or create a desktop that does what the rest of the world cares about.

Edited 2010-10-11 12:59 UTC

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RE[3]: Solid release
by Valhalla on Sun 10th Oct 2010 23:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Solid release"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

I really don't get the infatuation with Gnome, KDE 4.5 looks so much better.

Well, since I'm not running either Gnome or KDE (openbox all the way, yeah baby!) maybe I'm off here but chances are it's not about the 'looks'?


I think Shuttleworth is batshit crazy for pushing a purple and orange Gnome desktop. It looks like a cellphone from 2005 with a bad Halloween theme.

Being colorblind does not automatically make you 'batshit crazy' (I was going to write 'you insensitive clod' here but then I realized this ain't slashdot)

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RE[4]: Solid release
by nt_jerkface on Mon 11th Oct 2010 00:11 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Well, since I'm not running either Gnome or KDE (openbox all the way, yeah baby!) maybe I'm off here but chances are it's not about the 'looks'?


Looks are important if the goal is to win over new users. This is what Shuttleworth wants I think his Gnome favoritism is a mistake.

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RE[4]: Solid release
by segedunum on Mon 11th Oct 2010 12:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Well, since I'm not running either Gnome or KDE (openbox all the way, yeah baby!) maybe I'm off here but chances are it's not about the 'looks'?

Looks are important I'm afraid. That's why OS X and Vista/7 look the way they do and why they've started using hardware acceleration and resolution independence amongst other things.

Being colorblind does not automatically make you 'batshit crazy' (I was going to write 'you insensitive clod' here but then I realized this ain't slashdot)

What's colour blindness got to do with having a decent looking desktop? But, any excuse I suppose.....

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RE[3]: Solid release
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 10th Oct 2010 23:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Solid release"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

I really don't get the infatuation with Gnome, KDE 4.5 looks so much better.

I find it perfectly OK when more than one DE is provided.
What I find not OK is the complete omission of news regarding the other Ubuntu variants.

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RE[4]: Solid release
by nt_jerkface on Mon 11th Oct 2010 00:35 in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

KDE has a better team and toolkit. Do not underestimate that advantage.

Gnome may get the headlines but headlines do not translate into code.

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RE[3]: Solid release
by nbensa on Tue 12th Oct 2010 02:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Solid release"
nbensa Member since:
2005-08-29

KDE 4.5 looks so much better.


KDE 4.5 looks so much better, but Gnome works.

I've been using KDE for more or less 8 years, but just two weeks ago I went to Gnome.

Why?

Too many reasons. Two of the most important are 1) I got tired of the general slowness of KDE 4, and 2) lack of application integration (file dialogs in kde apps and firefox for example)

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RE[3]: Solid release
by porcel on Tue 12th Oct 2010 20:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Solid release"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

As a KDE user, I tend to agree, but there are areas of Ubuntu´s desktop that are more polished than their Kubuntu counterparts. For instance, the Ubuntu software center is much better than its Kubuntu implementation: better localized and more ergonomic.

Particularly annoying is the fact that the descriptions of applications are perfectly translated into Spanish in Ubuntu´s software center and not in Kubuntu´s.

This makes absolutely no sense. Why wouldn´t the translations be shared between both desktops?

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RE[3]: Solid release
by rajj on Wed 13th Oct 2010 09:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Solid release"
rajj Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes. The more shades of blue, the more modern.

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