Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 10th Oct 2010 14:17 UTC, submitted by Extend
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Yes, yes, it's that time of the year again - a new Fiona Apple album confirmed (which makes anything that happens between now and spring 2011 irrelevant and annoying), MorphOS 2.6 released (will be the next news item), and, of course, a new Ubuntu release showcasing the best of the best that the Free software world has to offer in the desktop world.
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RE[4]: Solid release
by segedunum on Mon 11th Oct 2010 12:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Solid release"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

First I had to wait for an updated ATI driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the open source driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to use the next version of the open driver. Didn't fix it. Then I had to wait for the next release again. Didn't fix it.

Fix what, exactly?

I love these kinds of posts. It didn't fix this, or fix that, it performs like a dog.......and you never get to hear what the problem actually is. It reads more like an excuse for some reason......... I got it installed on a Macbook for crying out loud.

Fact is that KDE is the only open source desktop today that comes anywhere close to competing with how the proprietary competition has moved on. Like it or lump it, but these Ubuntu releases won't amount to a hill of beans until they use or create a desktop that does what the rest of the world cares about.

Edited 2010-10-11 12:59 UTC

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RE[5]: Solid release
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 11th Oct 2010 14:51 in reply to "RE[4]: Solid release"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I love these kinds of posts. It didn't fix this, or fix that, it performs like a dog.......and you never get to hear what the problem actually is. It reads more like an excuse for some reason......... I got it installed on a Macbook for crying out loud.


Don't lie. I've written quite clearly what the issue is: Kwin. It might sound like just one component, but the problem with Kwin is that once Kwin has issues, it permeates into everything else. If responsiveness is bad, everything is bad. If, in this day and age, you can't even code a properly responsive desktop (and I've yet to find the magic driver/hardware/distribution/KDE version combination that is responsive), then you've got problems - major problems.

The interesting thing is that I've had KDE developers confirm to me that Kwin simply has a lot of performance problems - so the people who actually code for KDE know there are problems. It's always the armchair folk such as yourself that gets all their panties in a twist because he can't grasp that there is a sizeable number of people who are experiencing problems with Kwin.

From day one, I've been extremely positive about KDE4 as a concept, and the progress has been phenomenal. It's just that Kwin is lagging behind (literally), but because it is such a vital component, it shows in daily use quite clearly. Moving windows around, opening menus, minimising/maximising, resizing - things you do all the time - things that add up.

KDE/Qt is miles ahead of GNOME/Gtk+ (both are miles behind Windows 7, mind) - it's just that when I have to choose between technologically advanced but unresponsive, or crude but responsive, the choice is simple.

Edited 2010-10-11 14:52 UTC

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RE[6]: Solid release
by Hiev on Mon 11th Oct 2010 15:13 in reply to "RE[5]: Solid release"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

With all the respect, technology means shit if the programmer can't make good use of it.

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RE[6]: Solid release
by aunzim on Tue 12th Oct 2010 14:05 in reply to "RE[5]: Solid release"
aunzim Member since:
2008-07-25

So make that choice, kde 4 is 100% usable without desktop fancy effects. I've used that way in the past and it was still quite awesome

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RE[6]: Solid release
by phoenix on Tue 12th Oct 2010 22:18 in reply to "RE[5]: Solid release"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Define "responsiveness", "snappy", "runs like shit", and other subjective terms. ;)

I can say "Windows 7 runs like a dog for me" just as easily as you can say "KDE 4 runs like a dog for me". But you don't give any information on WHAT runs like a dog.

Dragging windows around? I can do that on a netbook with KDE SC 4.5.1 without tearing. Sure, desktop effects are turned off, but so is Aero on Windows 7 on a netbook.

Resizing windows? Not an issue on a dual-monitor setup with KDE SC 4.5.1 and nvidia graphics. I do this a lot, as I use the drag-to-top-to-maximise feature a lot, especially when dragging from monitor to monitor. Desktop effects enabled, and a handful of effects in use.

Rotating desktops? Not an issue on the dual-monitor setup. And really catches the eyes of the co-workers walking by.

So, until you start defining what your issues are, with examples to back it up, you're really just a whiner we should all ignore.

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