Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Oct 2010 21:30 UTC
Legal And we have another interesting development in the ongoing and ever-expanding idiocy that is the War of the High-Fiving Lawyers Mobile Patent World War. Motorola, now a central player in this worldwide conflict that is hurting consumers' wallets and clogging legal systems all over the world, has come to HTC's rescue by seeking to invalidate the patents Apple sued HTC with earlier this year.
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RE[3]: Motorola...
by tuaris on Mon 18th Oct 2010 00:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Motorola..."
tuaris
Member since:
2007-08-05

I'm sorry, but Apple did not invent the smart phone interface, nor did they popularize it as much as you state.

The touch screen phones/devices that we have today are all derivatives of Palm.

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RE[4]: Motorola...
by tyrione on Mon 18th Oct 2010 09:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Motorola..."
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

I'm sorry, but Apple did not invent the smart phone interface, nor did they popularize it as much as you state.

The touch screen phones/devices that we have today are all derivatives of Palm.



The Palm engineers are ex-Apple engineers.

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RE[5]: Motorola...
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 10:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Motorola..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

The Palm engineers are ex-Apple engineers.


Yes and no.

Originally, Palm had nothing to do with Apple. It was founded by people who had never worked for Apple at all. In fact, Hawkins was developing touchscreen tablets and PDAs, including handwriting recognition, since the '80s.

It wasn't until the Palm Pre/webOS days that some Apple engineers made their way to Palm - some, not all. You are grossly oversimplifying the matter.

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RE[5]: Motorola...
by molnarcs on Mon 18th Oct 2010 15:36 in reply to "RE[4]: Motorola..."
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

The Palm engineers are ex-Apple engineers.

I know that for you Apple is the Alpha and the Omega of anything remotely related to computing, but you're quite wrong about that. Or do you mean that HTC engineers were originally Apple engineers? How do you suppose they ended up in Taiwan?

Actually, HTC is one company with many first. Check the "smartphones" entry on wikipedia, or check HTC's history.

HTC started to develop the world's first touch and wireless devices in 1998.

HTC desidned the first Microsoft-powered smartphone in 2002 and the first Microsoft 3G phone in 2005 (incidentally, they were the first on the market with a new 4G phone).

The Palm Treo 650 and the first iDevice, the iPAQ (no relation there to Apple) was also designed by them (in 2000).

The first iPhone was introduced in January 2007.

So you're meaning to say that the Palm Treo and the iPAQ were designed by Apple engineers seven years before they launched the iPhone?

Now when it comes to the Newton, that might be considered a first, but it was a completely different architecture and concept (running it's own Newton OS, and sporting SDK that had it's own programming language, surprising called the Newton Programming Language). That said, we saw both concepts (I mean Treo/iPAQ and Newton) in Star Trek TNG way before they were launched. Now if Gene Roddenberry had patented the idea back then...

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RE[4]: Motorola...
by Tony Swash on Mon 18th Oct 2010 13:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Motorola..."
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

I'm sorry, but Apple did not invent the smart phone interface, nor did they popularize it as much as you state.

The touch screen phones/devices that we have today are all derivatives of Palm.


Of course Apple didn't invent the smart phone and Palm had a crude stylus touch screen before the iPhone. But what is true is that the iPhone version one in 2007 looked and functioned like no other smart phone available at the time.

And what is also true is that almost all smart phones now look like the iPhone.

This is what Android looked like in 2007.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/a-visual-tour-of-androids-ui/

Here’s an actual hardware prototype from then.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/android-hardware-in-the-wild/google-andr...

It didn’t look anything like an iPhone, nor like anything Apple would ever be interested in making. It looked like a BlackBerry or Windows Mobile phone — hardware keyboards and non-touch screens.

Now compare a 2010 Android design to a current iPhone.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/droid-incredible-review/

The iPhone has completely reshaped the design and UI of smart phones.

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RE[5]: Motorola...
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 14:09 in reply to "RE[4]: Motorola..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

And the iPhoneOS is simply an avolution of PalmOS and Windows Mobile, which were both stylus-optimised - using the finger instead of the stylus was simply the next step in touch-oriented UI design. Apple does UI design very well, and as such, they got it pretty right with the iOS. However, to claim that was some sort of magical revolution that Apple came up with in a total vacuum is something only fanboys can claim with a straight face.

Apple's iPhone is built on top of the immense investments *in hardware* made by *other* companies, the GSM heavyweights like Motorola and Nokia. *Their* investments built the worldwide mobile network and spread the mobile phone around the world. And now, as the lawsuits show, Apple is trying to weasel their way out of owning up to that massive investment - an investment, I might add, which costs FAR more money than developing a UI. Software is incredibly cheap to develop compared to hardware and infrastructure.

Software-wise, the iPhone borrows an immense amount of know-how and design from especially the PalmOS' single-tasking interface. When I first used an iPhone, it surprised me just how incredibly similar PalmOS and the iPhone really were, interface-wise - except that the iPhone had multitouch and thus focussed on fingers, whereas the PalmOS focussed on the stylus.

History is being rewritten by the Apple fanboys right before our very eyes. Yes, the iPhone caused a shift in the mobile phone world, but this was only made possible by the immense groundwork and infrastructure building by companies like Motorola and Nokia, and the software work by companies like Palm.

If you take any iPhone, only the software has been designed by Apple. Everything else is technology developed elsewhere - the radio, wireless networking, the ARM architecture, the display, everything.

Edited 2010-10-18 14:11 UTC

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