Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 16:00 UTC
In the News An interesting discussion is currently raging through the world of computing, or more accurately, through the world of bloggers and analysts. It basically comes down to this: should the iPad be included in laptop and desktop sales figures? If it is included - Apple becomes the largest PC manufacturer in the United States. But, if the iPad should be included - why not the modern smartphone?
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RE[2]: Because
by Adurbe on Mon 18th Oct 2010 17:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Because"
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I would argue a device is based on its primary purpose/use.

A laptop/desktop is a 'p.c.'
A server is a 'server'
An xbox is a games console

Now, all of these can in fact have Exactly the same hardware. So on what basis do we distinguish? We distinguish them on how you USE that hardware/software combination.

An iPhone is a phone first. Everything else is extra to this fact.
iPod touch a music player
An iPad is a PC as its sole purpose is to run apps.

All three run the same OS (more or less) but they are not all used for the same thing.

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RE[3]: Because
by WereCatf on Mon 18th Oct 2010 17:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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An iPhone is a phone first. Everything else is extra to this fact.

Well, how about for example Nokia N900? It's a computer first, and phone functionality is just extra. Does it then qualify as a PC?

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RE[4]: Because
by Adurbe on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Because"
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By my own logic, Yes ;)

by their own marketing its aim is to be tiny laptop

"Maemo is available on the Nokia N900 - a high-performance mobile computer with a powerful processor, large internal storage, and sharp touch-screen display."

Indeed the fact it can make calls is a 'small' feature on their site

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RE[4]: Because
by modmans2ndcoming on Mon 18th Oct 2010 21:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Because"
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I think I would categorize it as a poorly designed phone :-)

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RE[3]: Because
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 18th Oct 2010 18:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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Its much more difficult to additionally survey people and ask them how they use their devices before coming up with market share reports, rather than just combining shipped product reports from the manufacturers.

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RE[3]: Because
by No it isnt on Mon 18th Oct 2010 18:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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An iPod Touch is just an iPhone with no phone, and the iPad is a super-sized iPod (sometimes with phone functionality put back in). Apple fans tend to shout "it's an appliance!!!" every time someone points out that the platform is locked down and closed, and they are right. It is, however, marketed as a computer.

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RE[3]: Because
by aesiamun on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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The phone interface in any smart phone (iPhone included) is just an application. A smart phone's role is to run applications.

Just because it has a cellular radio in it and a voice application to interface with it doesn't mean it's any less a personal computer than an iPad. The android devices are even more general computing devices than the iPhone as it can run just about anything...

I would say the iPad is as much of a pc as any other smart phone.

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RE[3]: Because
by cb88 on Mon 18th Oct 2010 20:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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I don't know if you can call the iPad a PC because it isn't really customizable without hacking it. It is an Apple computer not an Apple Personal Computer that would entail a high level of personalizability. The IBM PC for instance you could write your own OS if you wanted and nobody would stop you.

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RE[3]: Because
by thavith_osn on Tue 19th Oct 2010 00:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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I primarily use my iPhone for development and games. I rarely make phone calls on it, so for me, the primary use is development.

I am sure there are owners of the XBox that use it for other tasks too. We really have no way of knowing for sure what these devices are being used for. A lot of PS3's where bought just to get the Blu-ray for instance.

Most of my friends use their iPhones primarily to play "Angry Birds" - LOL or SMS'ing. So the iPhone does have phone functionality just as it has hardware to play games, find locations, check recipes and so forth.

A lot of people will struggle to go back to a traditional mobile phone as these extra functions seem mandatory now. Remember when everyone made the fuss that the iPhone didn't have cut & paste, hmmmm, seems to be more than a phone doesn't it.

I used to carry a phone and an iPod around with me, but no more. So is my iPhone an iPod or a phone?

I guess what it comes down to in the end is "who cares".

If people want to get their jollies because Apple is in 1st or last, then all the best too them. I am sure people like Jobs and Balmer just want to make $$$, being 1st or 2nd or whatever in really neither here nor there, just as long as they are selling enough that people will develop for their platform, which seems to be the case right now.

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RE[3]: Because
by phoenix on Tue 19th Oct 2010 05:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Because"
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An iPad is nothing more than a large iPod Touch with more emphasis on media. It runs the same OS, has the same apps, has pretty much the same hardware.

If you don't consider an iPod Touch to be a computer, then you really can't call an iPad a computer either.

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