Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 16:00 UTC
In the News An interesting discussion is currently raging through the world of computing, or more accurately, through the world of bloggers and analysts. It basically comes down to this: should the iPad be included in laptop and desktop sales figures? If it is included - Apple becomes the largest PC manufacturer in the United States. But, if the iPad should be included - why not the modern smartphone?
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It cannot be included
by Googol on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:08 UTC
Googol
Member since:
2006-11-24

because it doesn't do ANYTHING I do with my netbook every day (let alone my PC!)

Who gets these bizzar ideas that are a complete waste of time? And then Osnews wastes some more time writing an article on it, and we waste time reading and even commenting on it.

Can I rip DVDs with an iPad?
Can I rip CDs?
Can I play either of them?

Heck, you can't even get media onto it without a REAL PC

Can it run an FTP server?
Can it run flash?
Can it burn disks?
Can I mirror a web server with it?
Can I remote into my PCs and vice versa?
It cannot do 3800 things I do every day and that includes all typical everyday PC tasks.

The iPad is a fetish object for reading stuff in an appauling quality (I must know, I see it on the tube all the time) and doing some browsing for 800USD.

That is the definition of what a PC is NOT.

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RE: It cannot be included
by aesiamun on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:14 in reply to "It cannot be included"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

Can I rip DVDs with an iPad?
Can I rip CDs?
Can I play either of them?
Can it run an FTP server?
Can it run flash?
Can it burn disks?
Can I mirror a web server with it?
Can I remote into my PCs and vice versa?
It cannot do 3800 things I do every day and that includes all typical everyday PC tasks.

That is the definition of what a PC is NOT.


What makes you define a personal computer as having to run an ftp server or any of that? The commodore64 was a personal computer...it didn't do any of that. My netbook doesn't have an optical media drive, yet it is a PC. I can run a ftp server on my Moto Droid...is that a PC? In fact I can do most of those tasks with my Moto Droid which is decidedly a phone...but does that make it a PC?

Or maybe we should look at the Wikpedia definition:
A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user with no intervening computer operator.

That makes the iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone, my Moto Droid, my netbook, my commodore64 and several other machines personal computers...

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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by M.Onty on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:21 in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

Or maybe we should look at the Wikpedia definition:
A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user with no intervening computer operator.

That makes the iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone, my Moto Droid, my netbook, my commodore64 and several other machines personal computers...


True, except that there is an alternate, far more common usage for 'PC' which refers to IBM Compatibles (after all it sounds a bit daft to call them 'IBM Compatibles' today).

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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by Googol on Mon 18th Oct 2010 23:36 in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

"What makes you define a personal computer as having to run an ftp server or any of that?"

Dude, that's you making it up. I said it cannot do 3800 things my netbook can do, or my PC, including but not limited to running an FTP. That is what a PC is about and an iPad is not. Of course I said that already the first time. See, the point is that a PC can do pretty much ANYTHING. Is that a laymen's definition of a PC you would go by? Of course. And an iPad CANNOT do pretty much ANYTHING at all by that measure. And of course you go by that as well.

So, sure, you CAN call an iPad a PC, but that devoids "PC" of any meaning, so let's not.

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RE: It cannot be included
by WereCatf on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:16 in reply to "It cannot be included"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Can I rip DVDs with an iPad?

You can't do that either with any laptop without an optical drive, and those are quite common nowadays. Yet you still call them PCs, don't you?

Can I rip CDs?

Look at reply #1.

Can I play either of them?

Look at reply #1.

Heck, you can't even get media onto it without a REAL PC

How do you get media onto a "REAL PC" if it doesn't have removable media drives? Well, the same way as onto an iPad: from another PC or from random websites.

Can it run an FTP server?

Yes, if someone bothered to write an FTP server for it.

Can it run flash?

Yes, if Flash was ported to it.

Can it burn disks?

Can any other PC without optical disk drives burn disks?

Can I mirror a web server with it?

If someone wrote such an application for it.

Can I remote into my PCs and vice versa?

Yes, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x58K4fA9wXI

it cannot do 3800 things I do every day and that includes all typical everyday PC tasks.

Oh, those examples of yours that just got crushed to pieces?

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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by M.Onty on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:23 in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

Ah, but he's got another 3,791 examples to come. Stand by!

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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by Drumhellar on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:26 in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

In all fairness, optical drives are standard on desktops/laptops, and to have a system without them is quite uncommon. Any system without an optical drive, I would consider special-purpose, and possibly not a PC.

However, currently, optical drives are not optional on an iPad.

There is also no standard way to operate an FTP server or run Flash on an iPad. It requires jailbreaking, which may void the warranty.

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