Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 16:00 UTC
In the News An interesting discussion is currently raging through the world of computing, or more accurately, through the world of bloggers and analysts. It basically comes down to this: should the iPad be included in laptop and desktop sales figures? If it is included - Apple becomes the largest PC manufacturer in the United States. But, if the iPad should be included - why not the modern smartphone?
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RE: It cannot be included
by aesiamun on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:14 UTC in reply to "It cannot be included"
aesiamun
Member since:
2005-06-29

Can I rip DVDs with an iPad?
Can I rip CDs?
Can I play either of them?
Can it run an FTP server?
Can it run flash?
Can it burn disks?
Can I mirror a web server with it?
Can I remote into my PCs and vice versa?
It cannot do 3800 things I do every day and that includes all typical everyday PC tasks.

That is the definition of what a PC is NOT.


What makes you define a personal computer as having to run an ftp server or any of that? The commodore64 was a personal computer...it didn't do any of that. My netbook doesn't have an optical media drive, yet it is a PC. I can run a ftp server on my Moto Droid...is that a PC? In fact I can do most of those tasks with my Moto Droid which is decidedly a phone...but does that make it a PC?

Or maybe we should look at the Wikpedia definition:
A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user with no intervening computer operator.

That makes the iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone, my Moto Droid, my netbook, my commodore64 and several other machines personal computers...

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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by M.Onty on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:21 in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

Or maybe we should look at the Wikpedia definition:
A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user with no intervening computer operator.

That makes the iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone, my Moto Droid, my netbook, my commodore64 and several other machines personal computers...


True, except that there is an alternate, far more common usage for 'PC' which refers to IBM Compatibles (after all it sounds a bit daft to call them 'IBM Compatibles' today).

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RE[3]: It cannot be included
by aesiamun on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:44 in reply to "RE[2]: It cannot be included"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

True, except that there is an alternate, far more common usage for 'PC' which refers to IBM Compatibles (after all it sounds a bit daft to call them 'IBM Compatibles' today).


I don't believe this is far more common. Apple made people think that this is the true meaning of it during their "I'm a mac, I'm a pc" advertising campaign.

Even then, Macintosh computers are PCs...by the original (and I believe canonical) definition.

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RIchard James13 Member since:
2007-10-26

Historically the Altair was first advertised as a PC. The IBM PC popularised the term further.

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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by Googol on Mon 18th Oct 2010 23:36 in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

"What makes you define a personal computer as having to run an ftp server or any of that?"

Dude, that's you making it up. I said it cannot do 3800 things my netbook can do, or my PC, including but not limited to running an FTP. That is what a PC is about and an iPad is not. Of course I said that already the first time. See, the point is that a PC can do pretty much ANYTHING. Is that a laymen's definition of a PC you would go by? Of course. And an iPad CANNOT do pretty much ANYTHING at all by that measure. And of course you go by that as well.

So, sure, you CAN call an iPad a PC, but that devoids "PC" of any meaning, so let's not.

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