Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Oct 2010 12:23 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Catfight! Get out your mobile phones and start filming, because two important personalities in the mobile world just got into a catfight. After the presentation of Apple's (once again) stellar quarterly results (what's with the low iPad sales, though?), Apple's CEO Steve Jobs went on a bit of a tangent regarding Android (among other things). Google's Andy Rubin, the father of Android, responded in a pretty fun way via Twitter.
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Jobs' attitude reaks of fear
by Koakuma on Tue 19th Oct 2010 13:16 UTC
Koakuma
Member since:
2009-07-02

They fear that Android will erode their market share and lower their benefits.

It has come to a point where Apple can't ignore and dismiss Android anymore as something irrelevant/harmless.

So Jobs is trying to belittle his concurent / to make people think that Apple is still the dominant player / has the upper hands / more market share when in fact Apple has already lost and is loosing more ground as time pass.

The headstart that Apple Had by being first in the market is gone, they are now going to play catch up and market their product as better integrated...and slowly get for smartphones the 5~10% (maybee 20%)niche that they have for desktop computers.

They are very successfull, but now they have to fight against Microsoft on the desktop front, with Nokia, Rim, HTC, Motorola, Microsoft on the smartphone front, with Dell, HP, Microsoft, Acer, Asus, etc... on the tablet front and with google on the tv front.

It's going to be an uphill battle for Apple now as their opponents now have a worthy and proven software stack to rely upon...They'll still thrive with their establish fan base but growth will become harder.

Good luck !

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RE: Jobs' attitude reaks of fear
by fatjoe on Tue 19th Oct 2010 13:21 in reply to "Jobs' attitude reaks of fear"
fatjoe Member since:
2010-01-12

As long as this "war" is fought on a technical level, I am a happy man. I say, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Nokia and RIM, bring it on and let the best product win!


However, once they throw in those damn lawyers, we are all doomed.

Edited 2010-10-19 13:21 UTC

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Koakuma Member since:
2009-07-02

I totally agree with you, fatjoe ^^

Edited 2010-10-19 13:25 UTC

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rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

Winners rarely win on technical merit, at least if history is any guideline, but we can hope. Again.

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mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

You are kidding right? The iPad's sales are stunted purely because of supply - this is the only thing Apple need to be concerned about. They are already a massive success in many vertical markets as well as education and common "Mum & Dad" users. Why? Because they are EXACTLY the same to use as an iPhone / iTouch. Not similar. Not "well it's the same underneath it just has a different UI on it". Exactly the same. And sales of one will generate sales of the other.

Apple's marketshare may very well only ever reach 20%, but when you're making the whole device why would you want any more? Even 5% of the global market of the iOS type of device would see them sitting very pretty for many years to come.

Again, people missing the point...

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RE: Jobs' attitude reaks of fear
by kaiwai on Tue 19th Oct 2010 14:16 in reply to "Jobs' attitude reaks of fear"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

They fear that Android will erode their market share and lower their benefits.

It has come to a point where Apple can't ignore and dismiss Android anymore as something irrelevant/harmless.

So Jobs is trying to belittle his concurent / to make people think that Apple is still the dominant player / has the upper hands / more market share when in fact Apple has already lost and is loosing more ground as time pass.

The headstart that Apple Had by being first in the market is gone, they are now going to play catch up and market their product as better integrated...and slowly get for smartphones the 5~10% (maybee 20%)niche that they have for desktop computers.

They are very successfull, but now they have to fight against Microsoft on the desktop front, with Nokia, Rim, HTC, Motorola, Microsoft on the smartphone front, with Dell, HP, Microsoft, Acer, Asus, etc... on the tablet front and with google on the tv front.

It's going to be an uphill battle for Apple now as their opponents now have a worthy and proven software stack to rely upon...They'll still thrive with their establish fan base but growth will become harder.

Good luck !


All that may be true but it doesn't take away from what he said during the earnings call - there is a price to pay for the kind of openness that comes with having a free for all. There is a reason why Microsoft has upped the requirements when it comes to WP7 phones - they don't want another debacle of half baked phones coming to market with their flag ship product being screwed up because some jackass at some OEM wishes to customise it to buggery.

As for Android, the fact that HTC has told customers of phones less than a year old to 'go fuck themselves' (HTC Hero being one example) after refusing to provide Android 2.2 upgrades tells me that I'd sooner have an iPhone or a WP7 Phone than dealing with the crap that Android users have to put up with. Owning a device for less than a year then the OEM/Handset maker (don't even fucking mention the carrier, they have nothing to do with it) decides not to provide an upgrade to Android 2.2. The Android world is turning into a giant fragmented clusterfuck but too many people here are hating Apple because it is the 'cool thing to do' - the same twerps used to hate Microsoft, and before that they used to hate some other boogyman.

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

FYI:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-07/30/froyo-yo-hero

Check the date of the article too - not too long after the OTA update of Froyo. The article concludes that putting Froyo on the Hero makes it "pretty much perfect". Estimated time to install ... about 15 minutes (not including download times of course).

Now I certainly concede the point that manufacturers should support their devices longer (although the warranty itself is only 1 year). Of course I would be happier if HTC itself released updates for their old phones, but the very least they let users update. This also neatly supports Rubin's retort - yes, that's openness, when random devs can download the source code and modify it to run on pretty much anything.

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meridianrebel Member since:
2010-08-30

I have a HTC Hero and have spoken with HTC about the lack of an "official" Froyo release for it. In order to get an official Froyo release, it must be requested (a.k.a. "paid for") by the carrier. It's frustrating, to say the least. However, I've been running CyanogenMod on mine and am very happy with Froyo on my HTC Hero. Runs much faster than the stock HTC Sense 2.1 garbage that came on it - not to mention, being able to control my processor speed (underclock when not in use, overclock when in use) has made my battery last 300% longer than it did with the stock HTC Sense bastardization of Android on it. All in all, that's one of the strengths of using an Android phone - being able to do exactly what I did. ;)

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apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

You are missing the point by nitpicking at Job's android rant. He clearly says later on and reiterates as these ass-hats keep asking the same questions (He actually go a little mad at some point), that Apple doesn't care about marketshare, they care about sales. If they sell a lot of devices but are not the market leader what does that matter to Apple? Even if they sell less than their competition they are still making more money because of their margins. If Apple were really trying to be the market leader they would have compromised a long time ago, in terms of quality and features. If Apple cared about marketshare they would have an iphone with a Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile logo on the back and pre-installed carrier applications. As it stands they value control and consumer experience over marketshare, even if it costs them the market.

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

As a hardware maker, Apple can afford not to care about market share, as long as they reap big margins from each device sold (the economic model used by jewellery & mechanical watches makers); as a software vendor, they may be wrong, as app prices are stuck to the psychological 0.99$, so only sales volumes can make an app worthwhile (especially when you know how much it costs to meet Apple guidelines... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/209170/how-much-does-it-cost-to-... )

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