Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Oct 2010 12:23 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Catfight! Get out your mobile phones and start filming, because two important personalities in the mobile world just got into a catfight. After the presentation of Apple's (once again) stellar quarterly results (what's with the low iPad sales, though?), Apple's CEO Steve Jobs went on a bit of a tangent regarding Android (among other things). Google's Andy Rubin, the father of Android, responded in a pretty fun way via Twitter.
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Ummm, except...
by mrhasbean on Tue 19th Oct 2010 13:34 UTC
mrhasbean
Member since:
2006-04-03

Who cares if a Samsung device has a slightly different UI than one from HTC? .... Nothing the car-brand-switching and TV-brand-switching crowd can't handle.


In a car the standard UI components are the steering wheel, accelerator, brake (and clutch if manual), gear / transmission selector, indicators, headlights and wipers. Everything else is like add-on apps that have their own UI. All of the car's standard UI components have been standardised on nearly everything the average user will ever buy - with the only exception being the indicator and wiper selectors which can be on alternate sides of the steering column depending on the origin of the vehicle, and in a few cases the location of the headlight switches. Similarly the common UI components on TV's have been standardised - channel selectors (+/-), volume selector (+/-), power button with the red power symbol on it, etc.

The reason for this is that car-brand-switching and TV-brand-switching group are the same category of people who had a perpetual 12:00 flashing on their video recorder, and that is what is at the heart of Job's comment. Anyone who has spent any reasonable amount of time in IT support dealing with the general public will understand just how important it is, and it's the very reason the likes of Samsung are putting their own custom UI on Android - to get users used to their device's UI so when they buy their next one they look for something exactly the same.

Why the tiny keyboard on the 3.5" iPhone is all good is a mystery to all.


You mean the tiny keyboard that's still got bigger "buttons" than most portrait format mechanical keyboard our there?

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RE: Ummm, except...
by fatjoe on Tue 19th Oct 2010 13:40 in reply to "Ummm, except..."
fatjoe Member since:
2010-01-12

I am not sure you can compare size of virtual and physical keyboards this way. On a physical keyboard you can feel the edges with your fingers and can therefore hit the buttons far more precisely. You also get much better feedback.

On the other hand, I believe touchscreens are superior to mouses in many situations ;)

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RE: Ummm, except...
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 19th Oct 2010 15:56 in reply to "Ummm, except..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You mean the tiny keyboard that's still got bigger "buttons" than most portrait format mechanical keyboard our there?


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Classic Jobsian statement there - true, but entirely besides the point, so you can deflect from the obviousness of the argument. Apple claims that both a 3.5" as well as a 9.7" touch interface is possible - but then Jobs says you cannot do a touch interface on 7" because it's too small? Lolwut?

That was an idiotic statement, and a major fail on his part - like the TweetDeck comments which aren't sitting well with TweetDeck's CEO.

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RE[2]: Ummm, except...
by molnarcs on Tue 19th Oct 2010 17:02 in reply to "RE: Ummm, except..."
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

The GalaxyTab hasn't hit the majors market yet (will launch in the US in November for instance). I saw a few unboxing videos however (one from Germany if I remember). No in depth review, but the first thing that was praised ... wait for it... was the screen! And the lightness of the device of course. Seeing the thing in hand gave me the impression that 7" is just perfect. Hell, 3.7 is not so bad actually for browsing (but never do it if anywhere near a PC of course).

I think this is one thing that Jobs will regret in the future. I do expect the GalaxyTab to be a success, there is a lot of excitement/expectation around it, and at least the build quality does not disappoint (I'm sure the UI won't either, I'm really really happy with Froyo and the GalaxyS is rather popular). Expect that remark to live on as people will quote Jobs every time the device passes a sales milestone.

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RE[2]: Ummm, except...
by tuzor on Tue 19th Oct 2010 17:14 in reply to "RE: Ummm, except..."
tuzor Member since:
2007-08-07

He's not saying you can't to a 7" touch interface. He's saying that They WON'T!!!
H'e said it before, success comes not in the products or ideas that you make/fulfil but the ones that you don't.

The 3.5" device is a smartphone, it's a very mobile device and you have to pay a price and make compromises for that mobility.
Considering that most people buying an iPad already have such a smartphone with them, it's pretty damn stupid to make a tablet that's only slightly larger in screen estate.
Making such a big compromise for a device that you're not carrying in your pocket all the time is nonsense. I've used both types of devices and the difference is massive.

It's good that people like you, people with boundaries in terms of imagination, could never work at a company like Apple.
It's why they keep on coming out with great and revolutionary products, because they don't employ people like you.

Edited 2010-10-19 17:16 UTC

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RE: Ummm, except...
by gbanfalvi on Tue 19th Oct 2010 17:34 in reply to "Ummm, except..."
gbanfalvi Member since:
2009-02-25

I think Jobs' point was that... well you hold the iPhone like a phone and just use your thumbs. On larger devices you'd actually have to type and need reasonably sized buttons. I don't think he'd forget about the existence of iPhones.

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RE[2]: Ummm, except...
by JAlexoid on Thu 21st Oct 2010 22:07 in reply to "RE: Ummm, except..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I think Jobs' point was that... well you hold the iPhone like a phone and just use your thumbs. On larger devices you'd actually have to type and need reasonably sized buttons. I don't think he'd forget about the existence of iPhones.


Then 9.7" is too small for a touch keyboard. iPad is horrible for text input.
The fact is, that he has to paint anything not sold/developed by Apple as a bad thing, so that the stock price rises.
His job is just that - make sure that the stock price rises or if it stays the same then produce good dividends.

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RE: Ummm, except...
by Neolander on Tue 19th Oct 2010 19:25 in reply to "Ummm, except..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

You mean the tiny keyboard that's still got bigger "buttons" than most portrait format mechanical keyboard our there?

Haptic feedback and not being oversensitive make buttons much larger than their touch counterparts in the space of usability.

Edited 2010-10-19 19:32 UTC

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