Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Oct 2010 19:02 UTC
Apple So, Apple held its usual autumn press get-together just now, and after a few rather uninspiring ones (to me, at least), they finally managed to blow me away, with the new MacBook Air (especially the 11.6" variant). They also gave a sneak peek at Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, which has... An App Store. An App Store Apple is going to open on Snow Leopard within 90 days.
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RE[3]: Emperor Palpatine
by rhavyn on Wed 20th Oct 2010 21:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Emperor Palpatine"
rhavyn
Member since:
2005-07-06

You're funny.

I'm upset because it's called a 'system restore drive', as though it's anything special.


Those bastards. Instead of a System Restore DVD, they provided a System Restore USB Thumb Drive, that they then evilly shortened to System Restore Drive. Clearly a plot that is aimed directly against you.

With any luck it'll just be their evil software on it, just as though it was on a DVD. Likely it's akin to the reset button I had on my Palm III, which 'restores things to the default'. Considering it's going to be less likely to lose, I think it's likely that most tech support calls will start with "get out your system restore drive..."?


Yes, with any luck the system restore drive will actually restore things to the default. I mean, seeing as that's what it's designed to do. And, did you know if you play a Mac OS X DVD backwards there is a Satanic message on it?

That's either a non-sequitur or a strawman.
I said that the storage is built into the machine. You can't change it. They control it. You can't control it. "If you can't open it, you don't own it."


Not only do they control it, but once you buy one it controls you. It does it by subtly adding subliminal messages to your music in iTunes. So DON'T USE ITUNES!!!!1!

Nonsesical argument.
None have been this small. This is a netbook that costs alot of money. Steve Jobs has never had anything good to say about netbooks. He made a netbook. I'm laughing at him.


I'm beginning to see your logic. I mean, up until now they only provided the big heavy laptops. And Steve Jobs has been consistent, big and heavy is the way to go. That 12" iBook was SOOOO much bigger than this Air, ROLF stupid evil Steve Jobs and his tiny, tiny laptops. Hey, did I mention the OS X DVD backwards trick yet?

Nope. I hate him. He's evil.


You, on the other hand, are clearly a level headed, well grounded individual. I salute you, sir!

He's evil. He's just not powerful enough yet for enough people to care.
That's how it starts.


He also is known to park in the handicapped spot, WITHOUT A PLACARD!!!!!!!

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RE[4]: Emperor Palpatine
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 01:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Emperor Palpatine"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Yes, with any luck the system restore drive will actually restore things to the default. I mean, seeing as that's what it's designed to do. And, did you know if you play a Mac OS X DVD backwards there is a Satanic message on it?

How could I have expected logic and reason from Apple people? Wait, I didn't.
Yes, I'm angry and opinionated. You're docile and cow-eyed.
There's no reason in this day and age for a full default restore to be necessary. If you can boot, and the drive from which you are booting contains the system files, you should be able to repair it without 'restoring'. You should be able to repair it.
The whole idea of 'repair' is beyond Apple users, though. "I got a new one free!" No, you payed for it in the initial price.

Not only do they control it, but once you buy one it controls you. It does it by subtly adding subliminal messages to your music in iTunes. So DON'T USE ITUNES!!!!1!

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
It's just ad-hominem. No reason for me to reply further.


I'm beginning to see your logic. I mean, up until now they only provided the big heavy laptops. And Steve Jobs has been consistent, big and heavy is the way to go. That 12" iBook was SOOOO much bigger than this Air, ROLF stupid evil Steve Jobs and his tiny, tiny laptops. Hey, did I mention the OS X DVD backwards trick yet?

Actually, it is smaller. It's thin, and light, not heavy and relatively tough. The 12" iBook was a subnotebook. This is a netbook. It's underpowered, has SSD storage as the only option, is thin, has no optical drive, and is relatively fragile (and don't give me that 'unibody durability' argument. It's a brittle aluminium alloy that bends and fractures under conditions that plastic would recover from and zinc would shrug at).
It's a netbook. Get over it.

You, on the other hand, are clearly a level headed, well grounded individual. I salute you, sir!

I'm an angry opinionated person. The world needs more angry, opinionated people.
Complacency is what let the far-right take over the US.
"But this is just a computer!" Computers are in everything you own. Your car, every telephone of any kind sold, every TV, probably 1/3 of toys, even greeting cards! I don't want closed software in the eventual voting machines. I want to be able to confirm that they're not fucked-up.
I don't want Apple to control what software I can and cannot use, especially if they don't allow 'duplication of functionality'.
I don't want them in control of _anything_, other than the actual product I can purchase: the hardware.

The fact that you don't understand that handing over control of what is or will be the very centre of your life. The computer has taken over much of what we used to do in multiple ways. Planning, communication, storage of information (when's the last time you saw a photo album of recent events? A home movie on tape? Who keeps a deadtree journal any more?), reading, film/TV... They've all already been or will soon be replaced by the general-purpose computer.
Apples entire business plan and marketing strategy is to make the general-purpose computer go away, and replace it with a walled garden.
I find it funny that most people that decide to go into that garden either don't notice the guards, or don't notice that the guards are looking as closely at the people inside as out...

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RE[5]: Emperor Palpatine
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 02:06 in reply to "RE[4]: Emperor Palpatine"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

"The fact _is_ that..."
Typo, but it made that long/run-on sentence even more confusing.

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RE[5]: Emperor Palpatine
by rhavyn on Thu 21st Oct 2010 02:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Emperor Palpatine"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

How could I have expected logic and reason from Apple people? Wait, I didn't.
Yes, I'm angry and opinionated. You're docile and cow-eyed.
There's no reason in this day and age for a full default restore to be necessary. If you can boot, and the drive from which you are booting contains the system files, you should be able to repair it without 'restoring'. You should be able to repair it.
The whole idea of 'repair' is beyond Apple users, though. "I got a new one free!" No, you payed for it in the initial price.


You're correct sir, "repair" isn't even a word in the Apple user lexicon. I looked up "repair" in the dictionary included with Snow Leopard and it said "did you mean restore." How much more evidence do you need? Next you're going to say that there is a "repair" option in Disk Utility!!! I personally would be insulted if you said that by the way.

"Not only do they control it, but once you buy one it controls you. It does it by subtly adding subliminal messages to your music in iTunes. So DON'T USE ITUNES!!!!1!

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
It's just ad-hominem. No reason for me to reply further.
"

I'm not attacking you, I'm simply providing some relevent information so that you too don't get sucked into the Cult of Apple (tm)(r)(c) through the subliminal messages. Cause I can hear the voices right now...

"I'm beginning to see your logic. I mean, up until now they only provided the big heavy laptops. And Steve Jobs has been consistent, big and heavy is the way to go. That 12" iBook was SOOOO much bigger than this Air, ROLF stupid evil Steve Jobs and his tiny, tiny laptops. Hey, did I mention the OS X DVD backwards trick yet?


Actually, it is smaller. It's thin, and light, not heavy and relatively tough. The 12" iBook was a subnotebook. This is a netbook. It's underpowered, has SSD storage as the only option, is thin, has no optical drive, and is relatively fragile (and don't give me that 'unibody durability' argument. It's a brittle aluminium alloy that bends and fractures under conditions that plastic would recover from and zinc would shrug at).
It's a netbook. Get over it.
"

Oh, yea, you're right, I'm soooo stupid, how could I have confused a sub-notebook and a netbook. I mean, how much more different could they be!?!?! I'm over it now, thanks!

"You, on the other hand, are clearly a level headed, well grounded individual. I salute you, sir!

I'm an angry opinionated person. The world needs more angry, opinionated people.
Complacency is what let the far-right take over the US.
"But this is just a computer!" Computers are in everything you own. Your car, every telephone of any kind sold, every TV, probably 1/3 of toys, even greeting cards! I don't want closed software in the eventual voting machines. I want to be able to confirm that they're not fucked-up.
I don't want Apple to control what software I can and cannot use, especially if they don't allow 'duplication of functionality'.
I don't want them in control of _anything_, other than the actual product I can purchase: the hardware.
"

DId you know that you need to ask personal permission from Steve Jobs to install software on OS X? Right now I mean, not sometime "in the future." You send him an email and then a few weeks later he lets you know if you can install the software. Sometimes when he's in a bad mood he'll say no just because. I hate it when that happens. Also, too, OS X self destructs if you install software that has "duplication of functionality." If you install Firefox, for example, every web page you load just goes to a video of Steve Jobs yelling at you, asking why you hate him and won't use Safari. At first it made me angry, but I think I see his point now.

The fact that you don't understand that handing over control of what is or will be the very centre of your life. The computer has taken over much of what we used to do in multiple ways. Planning, communication, storage of information (when's the last time you saw a photo album of recent events? A home movie on tape? Who keeps a deadtree journal any more?), reading, film/TV... They've all already been or will soon be replaced by the general-purpose computer.
Apples entire business plan and marketing strategy is to make the general-purpose computer go away, and replace it with a walled garden.
I find it funny that most people that decide to go into that garden either don't notice the guards, or don't notice that the guards are looking as closely at the people inside as out...


That's deep man. Can we be friends?

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RE[4]: Emperor Palpatine
by NeoX on Thu 21st Oct 2010 05:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Emperor Palpatine"
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

ROFL!

That response was classic.

I'm upset because it's called a 'system restore drive', as though it's anything special.

How dare Apple be responsible and include a USB drive as a restore disc.
Why couldn't they be like every other level headed PC company and include a partition on the hard drive and a pop-up on your desktop informing you that you need to spend the next eight hours and 200 blank DVDs to create a set of restore discs yourself? Why Apple, Why? Of course they would not even have to give you instructions either. Shame on you, Apple!

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RE[5]: Emperor Palpatine
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 06:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Emperor Palpatine"
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

Again, it's a restore drive, not a repair drive.
That's what offends me.

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