Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Oct 2010 22:22 UTC, submitted by vivainio
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu This is kind of... Well, good news, I suppose? It depends on where you allegiances lie, but it seems like Ubuntu is warming up to the idea of using Qt to develop applications. It's no secret that Qt is a far more advanced development framework than Gtk+, so it only makes sense for Ubuntu - a GNOME/Gtk+ distribution - is looking at it.
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RE[3]: Comment by cmost
by lemur2 on Thu 21st Oct 2010 00:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cmost"
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So it's fine, unless you have an ubiquitous video card in which case you'll have to disable default features in order to get things working?

This affects only a few ATI and Intel cards, BTW.
You don't have to disble default features if you don't want to: alternative options are to use compiz for KDE instead of Kwin, or in the case of R600/R700 ATI cards you could use the proprietary fglrx driver instead of the open source ATI driver.

Drivers fault or not, it's all part of a package and the package suffers for it.

Yes ... but not the Kubuntu package, it is KDE 4.5 SC that is affected. This is just as true for Fedora, Arch, OpenSuse, whatever ... it is not a Kubuntu issue.

Having to search for workarounds after installation does not engender good first-impressions. Thankfully my test machine uses an Intel chipset which seems well-supported (if a little sluggish). Overall, my personal first impressions are actually quite positive. If it can work with my Samsung MediaLive...

Yes, it is only a few cards affected, it is affected for KDE 4.5 SC only (on any distribution), and it affects only the desktop compositing, for which an alternative (compiz for KDE) may be selected.

Not the best I grant you, but given that a few work arounds exist it is not an absolute disaster either. Remember also it is not a Kubuntu issue, not an issue for most graphics cards, and not a Qt issue.

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RE[4]: Comment by cmost
by ephracis on Thu 21st Oct 2010 01:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by cmost"
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You don't get it. Kubuntu suffers because people with those cars will be forced to do workarounds. Kubuntu should repackage KDE so that the workarounds are already present directly after installation if you're video card doesn't support certain features.

The same goes for any distribution or anyone who create packages.

I don't get the why some people blame up/downstream for bugs? If your stuff uses broken stuff you can't just ship it to people and tell them: not my fault. Work around the bugs in the software you depend on, depend on other software, anything. Just don't be lazy.

if (upstream has bug) { work around bug }
else { do it the normal way }

Remove if when possible later on when bug is gone and you are cleaning up the code.

In the end, users will blame Linux, even though it's a kernel. So stop blaming each other and come up with solutions and try to ship working software.

(Oh, not really accusing you, lemur, for shipping bad software, btw ;) )

Edited 2010-10-21 01:06 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by cmost
by Calipso on Thu 21st Oct 2010 13:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by cmost"
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I have issues with compositing and an nvidia card.

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RE[5]: Comment by cmost
by lemur2 on Thu 21st Oct 2010 13:18 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by cmost"
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I have issues with compositing and an nvidia card.

Same comments apply: either install and then select compiz for KDE instead of Kwin as the default Window manager (via the default applications in system settings), or use the proprietary nvidia driver.

I wish that the Kwin developer hadn't saddled KDE 4.5 and every single KDE distribution with this issue, but it has been done now and if you are affected then you will need to adopt one or other of the workarounds if you want to use KDE 4.5.

I repeat for those who are apparently having a bit of trouble following this: this is not a Kubuntu issue, it is a KDE issue, specifically with the Kwin window manager in KDE 4.5. Every distribution that ships KDE 4.5 will have the exact same issues.

Edited 2010-10-21 13:25 UTC

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