Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Oct 2010 19:02 UTC
Apple So, Apple held its usual autumn press get-together just now, and after a few rather uninspiring ones (to me, at least), they finally managed to blow me away, with the new MacBook Air (especially the 11.6" variant). They also gave a sneak peek at Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, which has... An App Store. An App Store Apple is going to open on Snow Leopard within 90 days.
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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Morgan on Thu 21st Oct 2010 00:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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Yes, it's the size of a netbook (actually, it's smaller). It's just not an utter piece of shit like 90% of the netbooks out there, and is actually usable.

While looking at the photos posted on Engadget earlier today during the liveblog, I couldn't help but notice how much it looked like a slightly wider, much thinner, aluminum version of my HP Mini 210 (which I was viewing the liveblog on incidentally). The resemblance is uncanny. I think I'm going to refer to the 11.6" Air as Apple's netbook for the foreseeable future; they finally figured out how to make one that doesn't suck!

Now, in defense of my "utter piece of shit" Mini (as you would call it), in the few weeks I've owned it I have found only two things I don't absolutely love about it: The trackpad and the battery life. The trackpad tries to be a buttonless multitouch unit like Apple's, but falls far short. In Windows it is manageable, but in Linux it sucks big time. I'd much prefer a trackpoint or even a traditional touchpad with normal buttons instead of a clickable "button area". The 3-cell battery barely gets me three hours of video or heavy browsing, which is adequate but far from ideal. At least I can swap it out it though!

Other than those two niggles, I really enjoy using it. The screen looks great, the keyboard is miles beyond other netbooks and many full notebooks I've tried, the processor speed is more than enough for its intended use, and the video is highly responsive and fluid especially under Linux. I also love the fact that it's highly upgradeable; if I want bluetooth I can either add a standalone module to the extra PCIe slot, or replace the WiFi card with a WiFi/BT combo. I can add a 3G data card to that extra slot, or tether to my phone and put an HD video accelerator there instead. The hard drive is a standard 2.5" SATA that can be upgraded to a larger capacity, or to an SSD for speed. There are three USB slots, an SD card reader, and a webcam.

In short, it's all the netbook I need and it was under $300. As much as I am drooling over the Apple netbook, I can rest comfortably in the knowledge that my money was well spent on what I have now, and it meets my every portable computing need.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 02:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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You have said a series of logical, complete statements that fit together in a linear manner, connecting a number of thoughts together to form a complete picture of what you intended to say.

Man. Apple zealots really spew the bile now that they're gaining in number... I often wished they'd get more market share just so they'd stop acting like any other OS was destroying their lives, but since they've swung back somewhat, they're pushier and ruder...
I've had strangers verbally accost me and insult me because I didn't use a Mac, or at least OS X.
Paraphrased conversation after some kid who just started talking to me out of the blue, and refused to let me get back to writing something in Emacs (don't remember what it was...) told me that I should get a Mac, and wouldn't leave it at "I like this, it's all I need"

"I understand that it works for you. You have the right to use it and like it. I don't like how it works, and it can't do what I need and want it to."

"You just don't understand it! It's so much better than Windows!"
"I haven't used Windows in years."
"What do you use then?"
"Linux, a very minimal, customised Linux."
"What's a Linux?"(seriously)
"Linux is an family of operating systems, built around a single core. There are several kinds for different uses."
"That sounds confusing."
"*shrug* just takes time to learn, like anything."
"What I like about my Mac is that anyone can use it!"
"I can't. Nothing in it makes sense to me. Took me 15 minutes to figure out how to start a terminal, and I ended up using Google."
"You should give it some more time."

At that point I had to tell him that I wanted the subject to be closed, and not brought up again.
Once someone dips into circular logic, I cannot ever see them the same way again. I just picture a void through which no light can penetrate situated just behind their eyes...

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Morgan on Thu 21st Oct 2010 03:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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You have said a series of logical, complete statements that fit together in a linear manner, connecting a number of thoughts together to form a complete picture of what you intended to say.

Ok, it's late (for me, I have to be up for work in a few hours) so maybe I'm being dull, but is this sarcasm? And if not...ummm...thank you?

As to the rest of your anti-Apple-zealot rant, I'm going to assume you weren't referring to me, as I don't think I came off as a zealot in any genre. If anything I saw my post as very pro-HP Mini, but what do I know, I just wrote the damn thing.

As to your hatred of OS X, well to each his own of course, but I'm going to partially side with your seemingly well-meaning "kid" on the matter of how OS X is easy to learn and use, and add that it's a very powerful UNIX OS as well.

Some background: I have been using Linux since 1999, OS X since 2005, Mac OS classic since middle school (late 80s) and DOS/Windows weaved throughout that time frame. There's some BSD, BeOS (yay!), QNX, SyllableOS, Amiga, and CP/M in there too. I have yet to find an OS I hate, though I've found some to be fairly useless.

Given all that, I find OS X to be the quickest path to a *nix box that just freaking works, and a lot of the non-*nix stuff like AppleScript and the Services menu that provide amazing text and file manipulation abilities, combine to make one hell of a powerful OS.

I know it's not for everyone; personally I wish Apple would come up with a better Finder (don't we all, though?), and a lot of what it can do can be achieved in Linux or BSD with various levels of difficulty and learning curves, but the fact remains it's a powerhouse of an operating system that somehow manages to remain simple and accessible to the non-technical general public.

So why haven't I Hackintoshed my Mini yet? Well basically, I don't need OS X on the go. Between Windows and Ubuntu, the netbook does everything I need it to. I've even considered nuking the Windows install altogether and triple booting Ubuntu, Slackware and Haiku. Ubuntu for day-to-day functionality as it more or less fully supports the hardware (trackpad silliness notwithstanding); Slackware for straight up geeky fun i.e. the challenge of getting the hardware to work better than it does in Ubuntu; and Haiku for nostalgia and to try to work out hardware bugs so the Haiku team can add another netbook to the "supported" list.

So, take a step back, breathe, and try to realize that hatred of an OS is just plain illogical. Despise the more annoying zealots, sure; we all are guilty of that and it's warranted. But to hate an OS because you don't understand it only shows a lack of logical thinking or at the worst, a childlike mentality. Please, by all means continue using and enjoying your minimal Linux install, and try to understand that we all want to use what works best for us, just like you do.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by kaiwai on Thu 21st Oct 2010 05:24 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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So hang on, let me get this straight - you surrounded your self with loud mouth wankers and then extrapolate it over all Mac users? If you can't see the obvious problem with such an 'analysis' then any post showing you the errors of your ways is a waste of time.

If you don't like using a Mac then don't use one - end of story. I don't like running a Windows based computer hence I don't run one nor do I care if anyone did run one. As long as I'm not expected to help you nor listen to your woes, I don't care what you run.

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Neolander on Thu 21st Oct 2010 05:50 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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Yeah, the "it's not for me" thought is sometimes hard to transmit when dealing with the least mature kind of Mac user, the one who uses it "because x told me it's better, and I don't regret it the tiniest bit".

I used to think this way about Linux, when I was younger... Then I had to use Windows and realized that it was now an OK operating system and that the OS didn't actually matter for what I want to do as long as it's sufficiently flexible. Some never get that chance.

Today, I believe desktop OSs are pretty much on par. Each one is better in some areas and worse in others. There's no intrinsic "superiority" anymore. There are only qualities like speed, flexibility, ease of use, good look, application compatibility, freeware catalog, repository system...

Edited 2010-10-21 06:02 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by NxStY on Thu 21st Oct 2010 14:29 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
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"I can't. Nothing in it makes sense to me. Took me 15 minutes to figure out how to start a terminal, and I ended up using Google."


Open the disk drive > open "applications" > open "utilities"
And there you have the terminal app.

Of course you could just write "terminal" in the search field in any folder.

This really shouldn't take 15 minutes to figure out.

Edited 2010-10-21 14:30 UTC

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