Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Oct 2010 19:02 UTC
Apple So, Apple held its usual autumn press get-together just now, and after a few rather uninspiring ones (to me, at least), they finally managed to blow me away, with the new MacBook Air (especially the 11.6" variant). They also gave a sneak peek at Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, which has... An App Store. An App Store Apple is going to open on Snow Leopard within 90 days.
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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Neolander on Thu 21st Oct 2010 05:50 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Neolander
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2010-03-08

Yeah, the "it's not for me" thought is sometimes hard to transmit when dealing with the least mature kind of Mac user, the one who uses it "because x told me it's better, and I don't regret it the tiniest bit".

I used to think this way about Linux, when I was younger... Then I had to use Windows and realized that it was now an OK operating system and that the OS didn't actually matter for what I want to do as long as it's sufficiently flexible. Some never get that chance.

Today, I believe desktop OSs are pretty much on par. Each one is better in some areas and worse in others. There's no intrinsic "superiority" anymore. There are only qualities like speed, flexibility, ease of use, good look, application compatibility, freeware catalog, repository system...

Edited 2010-10-21 06:02 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 06:30 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
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2010-05-19

Heh, the weird dude who was literally insisting that I hackintosh my computer was at least 40.
A good number of these people have been tithing since the 128k.

Well, *nix systems have the advantage of allowing you flexible access to the lower levels of the system, and in an approachable, programmatic manner.
Free operating systems give a much bigger opportunity for education, as well.

These are things I value, and I wish more people did, as well. It just seems insane to me to put something so amazingly powerful as a computer in front of you, and never bother to understand it.

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by Neolander on Thu 21st Oct 2010 08:09 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
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2010-03-08

Well, *nix systems have the advantage of allowing you flexible access to the lower levels of the system, and in an approachable, programmatic manner.
Free operating systems give a much bigger opportunity for education, as well.

These are things I value, and I wish more people did, as well. It just seems insane to me to put something so amazingly powerful as a computer in front of you, and never bother to understand it.

Well, half of me agrees and half of me disagrees...

As an OS developer, I'm extremely sensitive to the argument that computer are wonderfully hackable machine and that it's sad to imagine that one day we could, like with cars, become slaves of the vendor as far as their internals are concerned.
But as a computer user, including when writing and testing code... I just want the machine to work like a perfect black box ! I don't care how it works, as long as it works perfectly.

I'd say we should always keep access to the machine at the lowest level, but let those who want a black box ignore what's inside of it.

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RE[7]: Comment by Kroc
by Morgan on Fri 22nd Oct 2010 02:03 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by Kroc"
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2005-06-29

Well, *nix systems have the advantage of allowing you flexible access to the lower levels of the system, and in an approachable, programmatic manner.
Free operating systems give a much bigger opportunity for education, as well.


Okay this has been bugging me for a bit now. OS X is closer to true Unix than Linux is, given its pedigree. Yet when you say *nix you seem to refer only to Linux and not the other Unix-like OSes. From Wikipedia:

A Unix-like (sometimes shortened to UN*X or *nix to circumvent trademark issues) operating system is one that behaves in a manner similar to a Unix system, while not necessarily conforming to or being certified to any version of the Single UNIX Specification.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like


Emphasis is mine. I know what you mean, and I'm sure everyone else here does too. I don't disagree with your sentiments; I also feel that Free software is the most flexible and approachable from an experienced user's perspective. But don't forget that OS X is a *nix too, and has all that *nix power behind it as well.

That said, I also feel much more comfortable digging around in the Linux terminal than the OS X one. One of the great things about OS X though, is that you don't have to drill down to that level nearly as often; the OS has a lot of hidden power in the GUI that just takes time to get used to.

And just for the sake of full disclosure, I'm typing this in Windows, because it's the computer I happen to be at right now (just got done playing a Windows game).

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