Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Oct 2010 09:13 UTC
Mac OS X After the news that the new MacBook Airs do not ship with Flash pre-installed (which is news considering Flash has been part of Mac OS X for a very long time), we now have news that Apple is also taking what appears to be the first steps towards removing Apple's own Java runtime from Mac OS X.
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Apple drops Java Support
by kap1 on Thu 21st Oct 2010 09:34 UTC
kap1
Member since:
2006-05-12

Sad that Apple back stabs the java developers that have supported them over the years.

However bundled JRE with your application (OpenJDK?) seems like the way to go now, so no big loss.

Edited 2010-10-21 09:37 UTC

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Only as long as ...
by pica on Thu 21st Oct 2010 09:46 in reply to "Apple drops Java Support"
pica Member since:
2005-07-10

... the App Store is optional.

In my opinion the optional App Store is only the beginning. As soon as the App Store is established it will become the only -- legal -- way to install applications.

pica

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RE: Only as long as ...
by apoclypse on Thu 21st Oct 2010 12:45 in reply to "Only as long as ..."
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

That doesn't really make sense. There are many multi-gig (sometimes in the hundreds) software out there that would be a pain to download, not to mention that many 3rd party applications have their own licensing schemes which Apple doesn't allow in the app store. Some of these 3rd parties may also not want the user to have the ability to install their applications on as many macs as they own. Adobe comes to mind, but more importantly (at least to me) you have production applications like Ableton, Cubase, even Logic. What do you do if you own a price of hardware that has its own software (like ProTools). Its scary, yes, because I know that is where Apple wants to go, but logistically I don't see it happening. The pro market would defect in a heart beat, but I guess Apple doesn't really care about that market as of late anyway.

I would definitely move elsewhere if Apple were to lock down the Mac, but to where? There is nothing like the Mac for music production, things run smoothly and there is almost never any issues with hardware or software unless a 3rd party isn't paying attention. I can't move back to Linux, because frankly the audio offering and audiostack in Linux sucks balls. Windows is an option but there are issues with hardware and the audiostack while nice isn't as simple to use nor is there anything like CoreMidi for Windows. In WIn7 its better and works pretty well, but it initially had issues when it came to pro audio work because MS didn't bother to test the stupid thing for that use case.

Almost every audio interface has their own set of drivers that may or may not work on your hardware/chipset/version of windows. You don't have to deal with that on a Mac, They generally stress manufacturers to use standard protocols and make it so simple for developers that for the most part most hardware is plug an play, no drivers required. Most of the time manufacturers are only installing helper applications to control the hardware. Nothing really compares to it for Music production, nor video as a I understand it.

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RE: Only as long as ...
by shmerl on Fri 22nd Oct 2010 16:15 in reply to "Only as long as ..."
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

> In my opinion the optional App Store is only the
> beginning. As soon as the App Store is established it
> will become the only -- legal -- way to install
> applications.

If Apple will do this for desktops/laptops - it will signal the death of Macs. A crippled phone, which doesn't allow you to easily install what you want can be sold to some not too far sighted users, but a crippled desktop/laptop - is too much even for them.

Edited 2010-10-22 16:17 UTC

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RE: Apple drops Java Support
by henderson101 on Thu 21st Oct 2010 11:33 in reply to "Apple drops Java Support"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Sad that Apple back stabs the java developers that have supported them over the years.


Before we all get hysterical, did you read carefully what the announcement says? It says:

The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles of those products.


So, Java is going nowhere until at least Lion. By that time we will know if Oracle or the OpenJDK people will support Mac. Till then, we only have pure speculation.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

OpenJDK already does support Mac.

http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenJDK/BSDPort

I'm guessing this will get more attention now. However, those crazy people that used the Mac only Java Cocoa bindings are up a creek. However, they probably saw this coming years ago, due to the infrequent/non existent updates.

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RE: Apple drops Java Support
by JAlexoid on Thu 21st Oct 2010 22:36 in reply to "Apple drops Java Support"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Sad that Apple back stabs the java developers that have supported them over the years.

However bundled JRE with your application (OpenJDK?) seems like the way to go now, so no big loss.


Well they have been "stabbing" Java developers for, at least, 3 years now. Their distro of Java is late as usual.
And I remember that Jobs said that Macs would be the premier Java development platform...

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RE: Apple drops Java Support
by Deviate_X on Fri 22nd Oct 2010 11:38 in reply to "Apple drops Java Support"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

Sad that Apple back stabs the java developers that have supported them over the years.

However bundled JRE with your application (OpenJDK?) seems like the way to go now, so no big loss.


its quite funny since the java community are quite pro apple

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