Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Oct 2010 09:13 UTC
Mac OS X After the news that the new MacBook Airs do not ship with Flash pre-installed (which is news considering Flash has been part of Mac OS X for a very long time), we now have news that Apple is also taking what appears to be the first steps towards removing Apple's own Java runtime from Mac OS X.
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RE: What about vi ...
by kaiwai on Thu 21st Oct 2010 10:26 UTC in reply to "What about vi ..."
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Apple ships OS X with vi included. So what about this Apple supported editor? Does it comply with the Apple human interface guidelines?

Sorry, but as a user of jEdit, Netbeans, Eclipse, ... I am very, very glad the key bindings is the same on all platforms.


vi comes as part of UNIX and isn't covered by the Apple HIG therefore your point is invalid. I never attacked these applications I attacked the fact that if you're attempting to create a multiplatform application there will be problems in that those applications will not always conform to the way the environment operates. Sometimes those differences are trivial such as the look of the application whilst sometimes it can be critical such as having keyboard short cuts that don't conform to the convention of the OS.

The comparison to vi is stupid because vi is a CLI based application and netbeans/eclipse/jEdit are GUI based editors - and there is an HIG for that provided by Apple.

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RE[2]: What about vi ...
by pica on Thu 21st Oct 2010 10:53 in reply to "RE: What about vi ..."
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Admitted vi is a CLI based application. As a consequence the HIGs are not compulsory. But Apple has been completely free to add Apple key bindings to vi.

Apple did not. Why?

Simply because users of the vi expect vi to behave like vi.

I as a user of jEdit expect jEdit to behave like jEdit. I also expect Netbeans to behave like Netbeans. And so on.

If I want to use an editor which only exists on OS X, I will use neither jEdit nor Gnu Emacs. I intentionally mention the Gnu Emacs editor to show non native key bindings are not Java's fault.

If I want to create applications, which are garanteed to run only on OS X, I won't use Java ;-)


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RE[3]: What about vi ...
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 13:52 in reply to "RE[2]: What about vi ..."
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by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 13:51 in reply to "RE: What about vi ..."