Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Oct 2010 09:13 UTC
Mac OS X After the news that the new MacBook Airs do not ship with Flash pre-installed (which is news considering Flash has been part of Mac OS X for a very long time), we now have news that Apple is also taking what appears to be the first steps towards removing Apple's own Java runtime from Mac OS X.
Thread beginning with comment 446414
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[3]: Only as long as ...
by apoclypse on Thu 21st Oct 2010 19:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Only as long as ..."
Member since:

At risk of nit-picking, Apple own Logic. Have done since version 6 (hence why Logic switched to Mac only platform). So that specific example was a poor choice.

Its not a bad example at all because Logic still uses licenses per install and even if they were to change that, which may be the case, Logic Studio wouldn't fit well in the app store paradigm. Logic Express would however. I've used Logic since version 5 I know Apple owns it. It says Apple Logic on the box every time I buy a new version. ;)

Windows isn't so bad. As you already know, there's hundreds of professional VST(i)'s for Windows and most of the time it's as stable as the next OS. In fact, much like OS X, the only time I have problems with production on that platform is down to a poorly coded 3rd party plug in - which you meantioned above.

My issue is with the hardware drivers on the platform. ASIO while great performance wise is too close to the metal, imo and has issues when a company doesn't care. I'm looking at you Digidesing. See below for details. VSTs for the most part work the same across all supported platforms. Most developers abstract all that stuff anyway so that other than some feature differences even AU versions of their plugins work the same.

Almost every audio interface has their own set of drivers that may or may not work on your hardware/chipset/version of windows.

Never had that problem. Ever. Never even heard of other people having that problem aside a few users trying to run pre SP2 XP. But given the age of that set up, I don't think theres much room for complaint.

Well now you have. Let me tell you a story. My buddy who is a singer has as really niec Dell Studio XPS that he wanted to use to record his vocals on a couple of tracks we are working on. To get the best bang for his buck I directed him to Protools LE which with the interface is $299. Problem was that his device wouldn't work it, regardless of Digidesigns nee AVID's claims of compatibility with Win7 64bit, the stupid thing would BSOD the system consistently. Took it back to the dealer and had to deal with a 3 hour phone call with a rep to de-authorize the license to return it. It was a known issue. Now Digidesign is a special case in that this is what they do, their support is shitty which is not surprising when everyone swears by your shit even if it stinks (see Adobe). However its not limited to just Digidesign. If you do audio and want a low latency external device you are not going to go with USB, you will go with Fire Wire. FW chipsets on PCs vary greatly from cheap spec bait, to the real deal texas instruments chipsets which are recommended by most FW deive manufacturers. All macs with FW have the TI chipsets and have the least issues with FW, which consideirn its Apple's protocol shouldn't be a surprise.

That all said, I'm far from loyal to Windows. Only use it for music production and DJing in Ableton - everything is done in Linux. So if I could justify the cost (it is only hobby after all) I'd buy a MacBook Pro just for Logic.

I used to use Windows back when I used to use Reason heavily. I switched to a Mac because I wanted to keep using Logic.

Off topic for a moment, but what sort of stuff do you produce?

Well I move across a lot of genre's namely because I like some many things but, mainly Hip Hop, Dub, Dubstep, and a little bit of DB and Trance. I've been getting into other stuff as well. I also DJ.

My favorite toy right now is Maschine. Check it out.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[4]: Only as long as ...
by Neolander on Thu 21st Oct 2010 20:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Only as long as ..."
Neolander Member since:

I'd add that Microsoft completely changed the way sound works in Windows Vista, switching everything to software rendering, which may explain some issues. Never totally understood why they did that while the thing just worked (sole possible clue being multiple user issues with Creative drivers) instead of fixing other things which didn't work instead...

Edited 2010-10-21 20:42 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 3