Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Oct 2010 22:23 UTC
Windows "Windows 7 might be a massive commercial success and an undeniably rock solid piece of software, but Microsoft is apparently unwilling to rest on those soft and cozy laurels. Asked about the riskiest product bet the Redmond crew is currently developing, its fearless leader Steve Ballmer took no time in answering 'the next release of Windows'." Also of note in this same video interview thing: Ballmer states that Silverlight is now pretty much strictly a client, non-cross platform thing, while explicitly stating that when it comes to doing something universal, "the world's gone HTML5".
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sun 24th Oct 2010 00:46 UTC
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2005-07-06

It's great to see Steve in a more casual setting joking around with people - god knows people have turned business into an institution where fun is the forbidden word.

As for the future, Windows 8 will be a big gamble from the point of view that it will include new features but many of those features will be reliant on the cloud. It will be a challenge therefore for Microsoft to sell Windows 8 if selling the idea of cloud computing doesn't catch on. With that being said I do think it is an over statement to claim that it is a really big gamble given the worse case scenario is they'll still have a very good OS even without linking into the cloud.

As for Silverlight, I think the dice was already rolled a while ago when they allowed access to native code a while back. My guess is that Silverlight is being setup as the replacement to Visual Basic and other languages used for quick 'n dirty applications - the attempt to create a 'Flash competitor' has given way to supporting HTML5. Silverlight has a place and for everything else there is HTML5.

What has frustrated me most about HTML5 is the length of time it is taking to get things moving along - we have to wait till 2020 before it is finalised? why not do a piecemeal standardisation rather than trying to do it all at once in a single monolithic standard? Given the work Microsoft is doing with hardware acceleration, Apple is working on bringing QuartzGL to Webkit, Google adding it to Chrome, and Firefox with OpenGL accelerated layers (Direct2D/DirectWrite on Windows) the claim of superiority that Flash once had will wane pretty quickly.

It is good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft because competition ultimately results in a better experience for all users. I have to admit given the lackluster Lion presentation that showed off pointless gimicky crap, Windows is becoming a more viable alternative each day. Within a single presentation Steve Jobs has done a fine job convincing at least one person (me) that Mac OS X doesn't have a future in his grand plans. In the case of Windows, at least Microsoft can chew chewing gun and walk at the same time - launch a top notch mobile operating system whilst taking care of its core customer base.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Tuishimi on Sun 24th Oct 2010 03:51 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-07-06

What has frustrated me most about HTML5 is the length of time it is taking to get things moving along - we have to wait till 2020 before it is finalised? why not do a piecemeal standardisation rather than trying to do it all at once in a single monolithic standard? Given the work Microsoft is doing with hardware acceleration, Apple is working on bringing QuartzGL to Webkit, Google adding it to Chrome, and Firefox with OpenGL accelerated layers (Direct2D/DirectWrite on Windows) the claim of superiority that Flash once had will wane pretty quickly.


It's possible that what will happen is the major players (MS, Apple, Google) will just move ahead with implementing the most obvious features and perhaps a few they WISH would be standardized on... creating some schisms but at least providing most of the functionality even before the standard is finalized.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sun 24th Oct 2010 05:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It's possible that what will happen is the major players (MS, Apple, Google) will just move ahead with implementing the most obvious features and perhaps a few they WISH would be standardized on... creating some schisms but at least providing most of the functionality even before the standard is finalized.


Hopefully that is the case because fucked if I know why there are non-browser vendors in W3C who keep holding up stuff - Adobe blocking any sort of standardisation because it would undermine their near monopoly status. Personally they need to develop a body that only has browser vendors and excludes everyone else - the browser vendors agree on something then everyone else has to catch up to those standards.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by thavith_osn on Sun 24th Oct 2010 06:00 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-07-11

Within a single presentation Steve Jobs has done a fine job convincing at least one person (me) that Mac OS X doesn't have a future in his grand plans.


I am a big OS X fan and have been for ages (well, since the beta) so read this with a grain of salt...

I also thought the presentation for Lion was unimpressive to say the least, but I think there is going to be a lot more to Lion than a UI update. I think you'll find a lot of very interesting additions to it. Maybe I'm just hoping, but I think the name gives away a lot of what they are doing.

Lions are traditionally the "King" of the jungle, so to create a mediocre release and call it Lion is not something they would do. I base this on the fact that Snow Leopard didn't offer than much new, so they basically said it was still Leopard, but with a bit of snow thrown in for good measure :-)

I think for a start it will use the cores under the hood much more efficiently, ie. all the work they did for Snow Leopard will start to pay off.

I think Finder will finally be updated to a modern tab based thing with access to the cloud (I hate that term) and so on (maybe cut will be added to copy when moving files, but I won't hold my breath - LOL).

I think the OS will also support flash memory a lot better than it currently does.

And so on...

I think Jobs did the simple presentation just to let us know that something is coming and to give it a name and a launch date. Other than that, there wasn't that much to show. I do like the new launcher though, kind of iPad meets OS X, very nice. I thought the swipping between full screens was nice, but didn't seem to work that well on the mouse - LOL...

However, this is about Ballmer. I have not been a fan of Ballmer since forever, I find him to be as technically sound as most of the bosses I have ever worked for, which is not saying much ;-)

But... This is one of the first times I have been encouraged by what he is saying. Basically, Silverlight won't continue to be pushed as an alternative to HTML (just as Flash is also losing interest). The fact that Ballmer sees HTML in a similar way as Jobs and others do is very encouraging. Maybe there is hope for MS after all!

I'm sure as I am writing this, Ballmer is off somewhere being quoted saying something mind numbingly stupid again (as is his want) - LOL...

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by Neolander on Sun 24th Oct 2010 07:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
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2010-03-08

I think Finder will finally be updated to a modern tab based thing with access to the cloud (I hate that term) and so on (maybe cut will be added to copy when moving files, but I won't hold my breath - LOL).

Well, there's already iDisk...

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by vodoomoth on Sun 24th Oct 2010 14:18 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
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2010-03-30

Maybe I'm just hoping, but I think the name gives away a lot of what they are doing.

Lions are traditionally the "King" of the jungle, so to create a mediocre release and call it Lion is not something they would do. I base this on the fact that Snow Leopard didn't offer than much new, so they basically said it was still Leopard, but with a bit of snow thrown in for good measure :-)

Are you not giving too much importance to the name?

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Phloptical on Sun 24th Oct 2010 15:07 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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I have to admit given the lackluster Lion presentation that showed off pointless gimicky crap, Windows is becoming a more viable alternative each day. Within a single presentation Steve Jobs has done a fine job convincing at least one person (me) that Mac OS X doesn't have a future in his grand plans.


lol....and here I thought it was just me. Lion apparently is just fanboy filler.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by melgross on Sun 24th Oct 2010 15:17 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-08-12

"
I have to admit given the lackluster Lion presentation that showed off pointless gimicky crap, Windows is becoming a more viable alternative each day. Within a single presentation Steve Jobs has done a fine job convincing at least one person (me) that Mac OS X doesn't have a future in his grand plans.


lol....and here I thought it was just me. Lion apparently is just fanboy filler.
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Well, for people who just like to dislike Apple, I guess you would think that way, but as usual, MS will now be struggling to try and match the feature set, and overdo it.

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