Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Oct 2010 22:23 UTC
Windows "Windows 7 might be a massive commercial success and an undeniably rock solid piece of software, but Microsoft is apparently unwilling to rest on those soft and cozy laurels. Asked about the riskiest product bet the Redmond crew is currently developing, its fearless leader Steve Ballmer took no time in answering 'the next release of Windows'." Also of note in this same video interview thing: Ballmer states that Silverlight is now pretty much strictly a client, non-cross platform thing, while explicitly stating that when it comes to doing something universal, "the world's gone HTML5".
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RE[2]: Risky?
by melgross on Sun 24th Oct 2010 15:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Risky?"
melgross
Member since:
2005-08-12

"You know, he could have said that about Vista, so it doesn't mean much. Longhorn was risky, and nothing came of it.

We have to be careful reading anything into Ballmer's remarks.


Nothing came of it? Windows Vista served as the foundation for Windows 7 and Windows 2008 R2, two of Microsoft's most successful products in recent years. If it weren't for the changes made in Windows Vista such as the introduction of WDDM, DirectX 10, Media Foundation (to replace the spaghetti of competing decrepit API's), kernel scalability improvements and so forth Windows 7 would have become another Windows XP falling further behind its competition.

Windows Vista if viewed from an objective stand point established a new foundation on which future Windows will be built. When we are at Windows 9 maybe then people can be a little more intellectually honest and accept that maybe Windows Vista was necessary to bring about the big changes needed to push Windows ahead. Windows Vista was to Windows what Mac OS X 10.0 was to Mac OS X - a starting point upon which better things could be built.
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My short post was pretty simple, so I don't know how you misunderstood what I said. I didn't say that they didn't get anything out of Vista. I said:

"Longhorn was risky, and nothing came of it."

That being corrected, I have to say you're wrong. There was little really new about Vista. You don't remember anything about it? When Longhorn failed, they went back to Server 2003, I think it was, and used that, adding some features that were consumer oriented. they didn't take enough time to get it right, so it had a lot of problems. Remember that when Win 7 came out, Ballmer held up a box of it and said that Win 7 was; "Vista done right."

No great accomplishment there. Just treading water for 7 years.

Windows 8? Let's please talk about product numbers that matter.

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RE[3]: Risky?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 24th Oct 2010 16:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Risky?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

There was little really new about Vista.


Completely new graphics stack, written from scratch. Completely new audio stack, written from scratch. Completely new network stack, written from scratch. Completely new user interface. Boatloads of security-oriented features and large overhauls in the kernel. Completely new printing stack. Every major application was updated. New and very detailed power management features.

This is just a selection of new things compared to XP. Saying Vista was "nothing new" is nothing but trolling - outdated trolling, even.

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RE[4]: Risky?
by melgross on Sun 24th Oct 2010 18:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Risky?"
melgross Member since:
2005-08-12

" There was little really new about Vista.


Completely new graphics stack, written from scratch. Completely new audio stack, written from scratch. Completely new network stack, written from scratch. Completely new user interface. Boatloads of security-oriented features and large overhauls in the kernel. Completely new printing stack. Every major application was updated. New and very detailed power management features.

This is just a selection of new things compared to XP. Saying Vista was "nothing new" is nothing but trolling - outdated trolling, even.
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Not much new when compared to what they were promising with Longhorn. Server was always a better base for Windows in general.

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RE[3]: Risky?
by Panajev on Mon 25th Oct 2010 09:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Risky?"
Panajev Member since:
2008-01-09

You don't remember anything about it? When Longhorn failed, they went back to Server 2003, I think it was, and used that, adding some features that were consumer oriented.


What are you talking about? Adding "some" features... It almost makes deeply changing lots of huge and key components of Windows (kernel, video stack, GPU oflloaded UI, audio stack, per application volume management, networking stack, firewall, MAC security policy, full ASLR support, etc...) sound so trivial ;) .

Edited 2010-10-25 09:02 UTC

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