Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Oct 2010 19:00 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Well, this is sure to raise a few eyebrows here and there. Today, at the Ubuntu Developer Summit, Mark Shuttleworth held his keynote speech, and in it, he announced that Ubuntu will switch to the Unity user interface come release, for both the netbook as well as the desktop, leaving the GNOME user interface behind (but keeping the GNOME platform).
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RE[3]: Comment by Luminair
by fepede on Tue 26th Oct 2010 09:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Luminair"
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"fragmentation is one of the main reasons why linux haven't yet succeded on the Desktop"

consider again if that is actually true

why should I? I wrote it because that's what I think.

I'll consider again when you (or someone else) gives me REASONS to do it.

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RE[4]: Comment by Luminair
by sorpigal on Tue 26th Oct 2010 14:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Luminair"
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People say fragmentation is holding Linux back, but then do not back up the assertion by describing *how*. As far as desktop environments and toolkits go I don't see many third party developers who are avoiding Linux due to toolkit confusion or intimidation. You can say, in general, that more than one is fragmentation and fragmentation is bad, and we can allow that for the sake of argument--it may even be true! But to say that "Desktop Linux" is being hurt by fragmentation specifically requires that you provide at least some anecdotal evidence.

I'll start: "My friend Timmy was going to port his friendly checkbook manager to Linux but couldn't decide on GTK or QT, so he didn't." Does this makes sense? "My friend Timmy wanted to support Linux for his application but since no one would tell him the correct order for OK and Cancel buttons he didn't." Do you see where I'm going here?

People who want to support Linux don't get stopped by multiple toolkits or DEs. Some really do get stopped by multiple installation mechanisms and a more get intimated by the plethora of distributions, but even those will mostly say "Red Hat only" and just do it.

Spread your FUDbutter somwhere else. Don't repeat things you hear said just because it seems to make sense when people say it. If you have some actual facts, figures, or any kind of evidence, that suggests that Desktop Linux is being hurt by the KDE/GNOME/XFce/etc split, bring them up now.

Please, please don't start in with "Development effort" or "wasted time" because these things don't make any sense when talking about volunteer-driven projects with effectively unlimited pools of manpower. It's not like in a company where I have ten developers and have assigned six to GNOME and four to KDE and could make GNOME better by reassigning those four. Nobody can be reassigned.

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RE[5]: Comment by Luminair
by nt_jerkface on Tue 26th Oct 2010 16:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Luminair"
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But to say that "Desktop Linux" is being hurt by fragmentation specifically requires that you provide at least some anecdotal evidence.

It doesn't require anecdotal evidence.

Porting from Windows to two Linux distros costs more than porting to OSX, especially if the application uses sound or video. On that basis alone you can argue that fragmentation holds desktop Linux back. Keep in mind that porting for a commercial ISV include testing and support, which is further increased by distros like Ubuntu that are constantly releasing major updates.

Linux is a PITA for commercial developers and it has been that way for years. Distro differences are mitigated by releasing the source and then having package maintainers handle the porting and distribution. Once you step outside this model the costs go up.

You can't argue that fragmentation is a net positive or neutral aspect for commercial developers when there is clearly an additional cost involved.

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RE[4]: Comment by Luminair
by Luminair on Tue 26th Oct 2010 22:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Luminair"
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you should consider it again because someone is telling you to. learn to take some advice and you might learn more than that

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