Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Oct 2010 19:00 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Well, this is sure to raise a few eyebrows here and there. Today, at the Ubuntu Developer Summit, Mark Shuttleworth held his keynote speech, and in it, he announced that Ubuntu will switch to the Unity user interface come release, for both the netbook as well as the desktop, leaving the GNOME user interface behind (but keeping the GNOME platform).
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RE: Mess - no! choice
by lemur2 on Wed 27th Oct 2010 02:18 UTC in reply to "Mess"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

I hope that something new comes out of this DE mess. I can't stand anymore GNOME being so stagnant, I can't stand KDE not being more than enough, I can't stand xfce, openbox and ratpoison.


What is the problem with KDE being more than enough? Just ignore, or uninstall, any bits that you do not need.

I mean... something, something needs to come out and stand for Linux, as a common, ubiquitous and modern DE. All I want is a solid, logical and easy interface to use. Even if devs copied Windows all way round, it would be much more achieving than just produce another 4 panel equipped DE.


How exactly is providing more than enough, given a comprehensive selection of desktop applications right within the desktop software collection, with better performance, security and user-configurability, with multiple desktops as a feature that Windows doesn't have, already not a great deal more achieving than just Windows?

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RE[2]: Mess - no! choice
by Jason Bourne on Wed 27th Oct 2010 14:45 in reply to "RE: Mess - no! choice"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

What is the problem with KDE being more than enough? Just ignore, or uninstall, any bits that you do not need.



You mean, NOT BEING more than enough? I tell what the problem is. For example: several apps with vertical text on a side-bar; confusing default K menu; slow native graphics compositing; lack of more professional themes ans styles other than Oxygen (the ones provided by Qt seems to be all Windows 95 based themes); no effort from KDE to automagically integrate GTK apps themes and fonts. TELL YOU WHAT, this SUCKS!

But to say that I am not only bashing KDE, KDE deserves to be recognized as the owner of a better technology than GNOME. A simple GTK window redraw just shows that, and personally I am tired of GTK native look and feel surrounding permanent unoptimization.



How exactly is providing more than enough, given a comprehensive selection of desktop applications right within the desktop software collection, with better performance, security and user-configurability, with multiple desktops as a feature that Windows doesn't have, already not a great deal more achieving than just Windows?


The point is that you don't have to be exactly like Windows to be more than enough. I meant that in Windows things are simpler. Even the Windows 7 control panel is more user-friendly than KDE's Control Center. Or even better, let's compare Aero titlebar buttons. Tell you how much more confortable is to hit the red wider button to close a window, than to track and spot on a close-window button in Oxygene, which is by the way, grey shaded just like the title-bar... Know what I mean? Little stupid things that make Windows better. I guess there's a reason why Linux never goes beyond the 1% ceiling of marketshare worldwide?

And you could come now and say: "But wait, GNOME also has a small close-window button in Clearlooks and Ambiance too." or "Just change the theme". But this is not KDE vs. GNOME thing or a change theme thing.

This is how the open-source misses on how to conquer new horizons by simply refusing to copy what is good and solidified, or not realizing that little things that improve usability should be implemented immediately instead of implement stupid concept designs conceived by 6 stupid german devs, who think this is what is the best for the whole world.

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RE[3]: Mess - no! choice
by phoenix on Fri 29th Oct 2010 16:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Mess - no! choice"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Gratuitous use of bold does not make your points any less correct.

The point is that you don't have to be exactly like Windows to be more than enough. I meant that in Windows things are simpler. Even the Windows 7 control panel is more user-friendly than KDE's Control Center.


Up to here, I thought you had a point. Then I realised you were trolling. Anyone who thinks the mess of text links in the Windows 7 Control Panel is better/easier than the logically laid out icons in System Settings in KDE SC 4 is just flat out lying, trolling, and spreading FUD.

The only, and I do mean only good thing about the Windows 7 Control Panel compared to Windows XP is that they included a search field. Without that search field, it would be impossible to find anything in the Windows 7 CP. It's a train wreck of a UI with absolutely no flow to it.

Or even better, let's compare Aero titlebar buttons. Tell you how much more confortable is to hit the red wider button to close a window, than to track and spot on a close-window button in Oxygene, which is by the way, grey shaded just like the title-bar... Know what I mean?


How often do you use the "big red X" to close a window, and how often do you use the apps quit function, and how often do you use keyboard shortcuts? It would be lovely, from a helpdesk tech point of view, if people forgot all about the "close window" feature and started using the "quit app" features in the app itself. So many problems arise from people closing an app the wrong way and losing date (yes, Oracle, I'm looking at you). It would be lovely if there was a way to remove this in Windows ... oh, what's that? You can in KDE but you can't in Windows? Yeah, Windows definitely makes life easier. :roll-eyes:

This is how the open-source misses on how to conquer new horizons by simply refusing to copy what is good and solidified,


The fact that you think Windows is the pinnacle of perfect design and should be copied by everyone says a lot more about you than you realise, and really undermines your argument.

Edited 2010-10-29 16:26 UTC

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