Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 25th Oct 2010 21:43 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Well, this was inevitable. After Samsung and Sony Ericsson abandoning Symbian for their line of smartphones, and after Symbian Foundation executive director Lee Williams leaving the company for "personal reasons", there's now a report that the Symbian Foundation is winding down its operations, in preparation for closing up shop entirely.
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axilmar
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2006-03-20

Holy attack, Batman!

My original claim is that manufacturers should not bother with non-Linux operating systems (i.e. kernel + drivers), not platforms.

For example, I personally favour KDE4 over Aero and Aqua (or whatever OS Xs DE is called). But I know a number of people on here would see KDE as an inferior product to GNOME.


I personally don't like Aqua or KDE4, but as you say, that's subjective.

What is not subjective though is the extremely successful Apple computing platform, and the UI takes a big role in that success.

against your absurd claim


What absurd claim? I stated the obvious: manufacturers should stick with Linux, the operating system (kernel and drivers) but write their own UI that rivals in quality the iOS UI.

If that is an absurd claim for you, then you clearly have no idea of what makes Apple a success.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

My original claim is that manufacturers should not bother with non-Linux operating systems (i.e. kernel + drivers), not platforms.

Same difference. 'Platform' just a generic term for a hardware or software vector - be it CPU architecture (x86/PowerPC/ARM), kernel (BSD/Linux) or developers framework (.NET/Qt/etc).



What is not subjective though is the extremely successful Apple computing platform, and the UI takes a big role in that success.

I never disputed that so you're reiteration was not required.

What absurd claim? I stated the obvious: manufacturers should stick with Linux, the operating system (kernel and drivers) but write their own UI that rivals in quality the iOS UI.

Right, you didn't state that until now. You only stated that they should stick with Linux. Perhaps if you'd expanded on your point, we could have saved ourselves a lot of time.

Anyway, I don't think it matters too much what the kernel is - BSD, for example, would work just as well. I've also heard (though not personally used it) QNX would be well suited too.

So what really matters is that the time is spent on the user space (UI, developers toolkits, etc). A point you stated when you elaborated on your original comment but not the same as your original comment (as you original post explicitly targeted a single kernel)

Edited 2010-10-27 13:04 UTC

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axilmar Member since:
2006-03-20

Perhaps if you'd expanded on your point, we could have saved ourselves a lot of time


Perhaps if you asked, I would have expanded on it.

Anyway, I don't think it matters too much what the kernel is - BSD, for example, would work just as well. I've also heard (though not personally used it) QNX would be well suited too.


Agreed. My point is "please do not spend your resources on custom kernels like Symbian - concentrate in userspace".

A point you stated when you elaborated on your original comment but not the same as your original comment (as you original post explicitly targeted a single kernel)


It's not my fault that you did not understand my comment, sorry.

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MattPie Member since:
2006-04-18

What is not subjective though is the extremely successful Apple computing platform, and the UI takes a big role in that success.

I'd argue that the fact that it's from Apple is a larger part of that success than the actual UI. I can't help but think that if Apple had released Android and Google iOS, everyone would be fawning over how great Android is and iOS is a poor copy.

I know that I have trouble using iOS whereas Android makes sense to me. MacOS similarly makes no sense to me, but Linux (GNOME, mostly) and Windows do. It's all what you get used it.

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axilmar Member since:
2006-03-20

I'd argue that the fact that it's from Apple is a larger part of that success than the actual UI.


No, it's the quality of Apple products. Apple had made bad products in the past that were total failures.

I know that I have trouble using iOS whereas Android makes sense to me. MacOS similarly makes no sense to me, but Linux (GNOME, mostly) and Windows do. It's all what you get used it.


Me too, but I can't have my eyes closed to the success of Apple.

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