Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Oct 2010 22:29 UTC
Legal Yesterday, we discussed the claims made by Oracle about Google allegedly copying their code, and quickly enough, the web - I included - concluded that it looked like the code in question originally came from Apache's Harmony Project - although no one could find it in the current code repository. Earlier this morning, I contacted the Apache Software Foundation, and they cleared everything up: the contested class library does not, and did not, come from the Apache Harmony project.
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RE[4]: Google annoys me
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 30th Oct 2010 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Google annoys me"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

You, sir, get it.

Google is, of course, evil. With evil in relation to companies I mean that their goals are entirely the opposite of our (customers) goals. They want to offer us as little as possible for as much money as possible, whereas we want as much as possible for as little money as possible.

However, there are companies out there that who are not just evil because they're companies - they're also evil because they choose to. Apple and Microsoft would do just fine just selling their products to those that want them. They'd make just as many billions. However, it's not enough for them. They willingly choose to perform acts that are clearly evil and anti-consumer - acts that are, in no way, even in the least bit, crucial to their goals of making money.

Google chooses to not to do those acts. Google has a clear privacy policy, open and free for everyone to read. Google provides all the tools and information to cease using their products and take your data with you. They are not trying to force anything on you, and they are not trying to lock you into anything. Heck, the fact that Android phones ship with Bing is proof enough of that.

If you look closely, you'll see that most of the Google hate comes from Apple fanboys, because Google is everything Apple is not, and is still incredibly successful. Google is a huge threat to Apple, and Apple fanboys know it. As such, they hate Google, like they hated Microsoft before that.

It's basic human psychology. People who lack the ability to think for themselves are easily suckered into identifying themselves with groups, identifying themselves in such a way that they BECOME the group. As such, they will react violently towards anything that threatens their group. Just look at John Gruber - he had no issues with Google until Google became a threat to Apple. Nowadays, what used to be a fun and interesting blog on Apple and design-related stuff has become Google Bashing Central.

I feel sad for those people.

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RE[5]: Google annoys me
by WereCatf on Sat 30th Oct 2010 16:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Google annoys me"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

They want to offer us as little as possible for as much money as possible, whereas we want as much as possible for as little money as possible.

Google provides a truckload of stuff for free, some of the stuff even being absolutely great. If they only wanted to offer as little as possible they wouldn't be offering all the stuff they are now. Thus, by your very own definition, Google is not evil?

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RE[6]: Google annoys me
by arpan on Mon 1st Nov 2010 05:02 in reply to "RE[5]: Google annoys me"
arpan Member since:
2006-07-30

All that stuff is free because if helps Google sell more ads. That is their core business.

Search, Gmail, Google apps & docs, Android, everything else is there so that Google gets more info on you and can target ads better and sell more ads. Simple as that. Not saying there is anything wrong with it, since I happily use many of their products for free, but don't think Google is offering all this stuff for free out of the goodness of their heart.

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RE[5]: Google annoys me
by koki on Sat 30th Oct 2010 19:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Google annoys me"
koki Member since:
2005-10-17

It's basic human psychology. People who lack the ability to think for themselves are easily suckered into identifying themselves with groups, identifying themselves in such a way that they BECOME the group. As such, they will react violently towards anything that threatens their group...


Or that they feel may threaten their group, even when in fact it doesn't. This is something that you can also see in open source projects, where for many loyalty to the group becomes more important than objectivity. Great observation Thom!

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RE[5]: Google annoys me
by vocivus on Sun 31st Oct 2010 00:15 in reply to "RE[4]: Google annoys me"
vocivus Member since:
2010-03-13

I was just thinking the same thing about Google haters. Seems to be Apple fans. To love Apple you must hate Google.

Sad.

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RE[5]: Google annoys me
by NeoX on Sun 31st Oct 2010 03:06 in reply to "RE[4]: Google annoys me"
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19

If you look closely, you'll see that most of the Google hate comes from Apple fanboys, because Google is everything Apple is not, and is still incredibly successful. Google is a huge threat to Apple, and Apple fanboys know it. As such, they hate Google, like they hated Microsoft before that.

HAHA That is a pretty bold statement. But completely baseless too. I know plenty of people that hate Google because of the privacy concerns and are not Apple users. I know plenty of people in Corporate IT that hate Google because of the way they tried to give them the shaft with their search appliance. Again not Mac users. I also know plenty of Windows MS users that can't stand Google also because of Privacy concerns and the way some of there tools work, or rather don't work.

So don't go creating another stereotype here, we have enough of those already!

For the record I do not hate Google, but think, like you, they probably do questionable things and probably don't respect your privacy, despite what they say. Of course I am not an Apple fanboy. A Mac fan, Yes, but that is not the same thing.

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RE[5]: Google annoys me
by David on Sun 31st Oct 2010 23:22 in reply to "RE[4]: Google annoys me"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Though your observation about profit-seeking companies being inherently evil is thought-provoking, I disagree pretty strenuously about Apple fandom being the root of anti-Google sentiment. Though it may be true for Gruber, I think you're on the wrong track, there.

I think that most Apple fans have been and continue to be fans of google too. For me, it's kind of like mom and dad are getting a divorce. A tragic situation.

I think the big issue is that most of us are hard-wired for Microsoft to be the bad guy, and people challenging Microsoft to be good. But now with Apple and Google having both become big and powerful and "evil" themselves, people just don't know who to naively believe in anymore. It's even come to the point where people feel a little bit sorry for Microsoft. Those are confusing feelings.

I think the big issue is that tech people are trend-chasing sheep, and tend to get irrational and political about their technological ideology. That includes not being introspective enough about your inner fanboy, and jumping on the bandwagon about the latest powerful behemoth being worse than Hitler.

Don't worry. Once Apple and Google and Facebook become hapless, sclerotic also-rans, and some new upstart whipper-snappers have become the new evil, then we can all move on.

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