Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Oct 2010 20:48 UTC
Microsoft Most websites glossed over this, but we didn't. Silverlight, once touted as Microsoft's answer to Adobe's Flash, has been retooled from its original purpose. Microsoft is betting big on HTML5 instead, turning Silverlight into the development platform for Windows Phone, and that's it. So... Silverlight is dead - long live Silerlight?
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Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29


No, appearances would have it that Silverlight was just as much an attempt to gain lock-in to Microsoft products (so that users had to run Windows in order to be able to access the Internet) as any other ploy Microsoft has used.


Prove it.

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mkone Member since:
2006-03-14

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No, appearances would have it that Silverlight was just as much an attempt to gain lock-in to Microsoft products (so that users had to run Windows in order to be able to access the Internet) as any other ploy Microsoft has used.


Prove it.
"

Silverlight is not available on Linux, and is a second class citizen anywhere other than on Windows.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

It works rather well on Macs, in the Browser and outside it.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

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No, appearances would have it that Silverlight was just as much an attempt to gain lock-in to Microsoft products (so that users had to run Windows in order to be able to access the Internet) as any other ploy Microsoft has used.


Prove it.
"

Silverlight is not available on Linux, and is a second class citizen anywhere other than on Windows. [/q]

Yes but tbh ... I don't bother writing stuff for a platform that isn't going to represent less than 5% of the market.

e.g. We have a second mobile website which is going to be deployed sometime at the end of the this month. We need to redirect visitors who are on a mobile to the mobile website. We could have used http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/ this to do the redirect, however we have a CMS from 2001 that is very fragile if the ISAPI rules are changed (i.e. it falls over).

The other route was a JS redirect when the page loaded, by looking at the user agent (a dirty hack I know, but the current website is going to be around for another few months and we are migrating to a newer CMS, this will make do in the meantime).

Obviously phones that had browsers that did not support JS would not be redirected ... when I warned my manager of this, he told me not to worry because we don't have any visitors using a handset that doesn't have a JS capable browser i.e. iPhone, Android handsets and modern Blackberrys.

The same I expect happens at microsoft, why would they bother supporting a platform that has such a small % of the market? They cannot justify the use of resources.

I do agree though that if they are going to support MacOSX they should make sure that it is of acceptable quality.

Edited 2010-10-31 11:45 UTC

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Silverlight is not available on Linux, and is a second class citizen anywhere other than on Windows.


Silverlight for Linux is Moonlight. Officially. Microsoft officially sanctioned the port and gives them interoperability tests and ahead of time information on some subjects.

Silverlight for OSX works just as well as the Windows version. I don't get the "second class citizen" bullshit, stop making shit up.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

" No, appearances would have it that Silverlight was just as much an attempt to gain lock-in to Microsoft products (so that users had to run Windows in order to be able to access the Internet) as any other ploy Microsoft has used.


Prove it.
"

Silverlight is not available on Linux. (Moonlight is available, but it is barely useable and even then only for x86 and x86_64, and only after downloading binary-blob codecs from Microsoft).

Silverlight is not available for a whole host of web-connected devices and platforms:
- ARM
- Android
- Symbian
- Palm
- Blackberry
- PPC

... to mention only a few.

This is a sizeable percentage of machines that can otherwise fully participate in the open web.

QED.

Edited 2010-10-31 11:25 UTC

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Wrong.

It is available for symbian. But while you're at it why not add QNX,BeOS, OS/2.

Just because it was unavailable on certain platforms does not invalidate its (ex-) stated mission to be cross platform. Maybe if the strategy had not changed it would eventually get to those platforms.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Silverlight is not available on Linux. (Moonlight is available, but it is barely useable and even then only for x86 and x86_64, and only after downloading binary-blob codecs from Microsoft).


You see, this is where your misconception begins. Silverlight is not only a streaming technology. That's maybe 1% of what Silverlight is. Silverlight is a cross platform CLR capable of running under full trust on 3 different platforms. Moonlight does this nearly perfectly. It's a work in progress, but it's getting there.

You're delusional if you think HTML5 is implemented the same, even across Gecko or WebKit, so the point is largely moot.


Silverlight is not available for a whole host of web-connected devices and platforms:
- ARM
- Android
- Symbian
- Palm
- Blackberry
- PPC

... to mention only a few.


Silverlight runs on ARM (Symbian and Windows Phone 7)
Also, why are you mixing manufacturers with architectures?

You might as well say Silverlight isn't available on the following platforms:

- Windows
- Linux
- Hamburger
- Potato
- iPhone

See how long and important my list is? I must be right. You're not honest at all, please be honest.


This is a sizeable percentage of machines that can otherwise fully participate in the open web.


A lack of reach is not vendor lock in, it just means they don't have infinite resources ..

You didn't prove anything, you just further cemented my belief that you know approximately nothing. You continue to disappoint.

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